ICTJohnboy Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 31 minutes ago, Detournement said: Very true. Better vote Labour. I'll be voting labour, but only because I'm not living in Scotland. (It's either that or spoil my ballot paper) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/sep/26/eu-steps-up-no-deal-brexit-preparations-as-labour-alarms-capitals “I’m sorry to say it so callously: there is something more important for us than the future of the UK, and that’s the future of the EU,” he said. “Any decision that would give European citizens the feeling you can exit the EU and keep all the advantages would be suicidal, and we won’t make that decision.” Bruno Le Maire - French Finance Minister 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/sep/26/eu-steps-up-no-deal-brexit-preparations-as-labour-alarms-capitals“I’m sorry to say it so callously: there is something more important for us than the future of the UK, and that’s the future of the EU,” he said. “Any decision that would give European citizens the feeling you can exit the EU and keep all the advantages would be suicidal, and we won’t make that decision.” Bruno Le Maire - French Finance MinisterI don't think you could expect the EU members to have any other reaction to Brexit. Any softening of the stance plays in to the hands of leavers in other countries. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerberus Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 Kate Hoey's is part of a group called Labour Leave who have manifesto goals of- Return all law-making powers to the UK Parliament, renewing our democracy. Ensure complete control over immigration policy and visas. Secure free trade in goods and services with Europe. Pursue global trade deals which protect our public services. Rebalance our economy, helping firms to achieve higher productivity, with rising wages and investing in the infrastructure to support export-led growth. Probably even more cherry picking than Checkers. It's safe to say Labour will do no better in the negotiations than May. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suspect Device Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 I don't think Joey would be involved in talks even if there was a snap election and Labour somehow won. Not sure a general election makes a lot of sense. It's like changing jockeys when the horse is dead. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 10 minutes ago, Suspect Device said: I don't think Joey would be involved in talks even if there was a snap election and Labour somehow won. Not sure a general election makes a lot of sense. It's like changing jockeys when the horse is dead. The Tories would still back it, as long as it was a good British horse. The European ones would withdraw in fear. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodhull Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 Given all the talk of deselection of 'disloyal' MPs from Labour recently are the likes of Hoey even going to be standing if there was a general election? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 23 minutes ago, Cerberus said: Kate Hoey's is part of a group called Labour Leave who have manifesto goals of- Return all law-making powers to the UK Parliament, renewing our democracy. Ensure complete control over immigration policy and visas. Secure free trade in goods and services with Europe. Pursue global trade deals which protect our public services. Rebalance our economy, helping firms to achieve higher productivity, with rising wages and investing in the infrastructure to support export-led growth. Probably even more cherry picking than Checkers. It's safe to say Labour will do no better in the negotiations than May. There's a few draughts blowing through those proposals... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zidane's child Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 3 minutes ago, Jacksgranda said: There's a few draughts blowing through those proposals... We're board of all these puns... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 1 minute ago, zidane's child said: We're board of all these puns... Better than trying to interpret the "negotiations"... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 1 hour ago, Cerberus said: Kate Hoey's is part of a group called Labour Leave who have manifesto goals of- Return all law-making powers to the UK Parliament, renewing our democracy. Ensure complete control over immigration policy and visas. Secure free trade in goods and services with Europe. Pursue global trade deals which protect our public services. Rebalance our economy, helping firms to achieve higher productivity, with rising wages and investing in the infrastructure to support export-led growth. Probably even more cherry picking than Checkers. It's safe to say Labour will do no better in the negotiations than May. What the hell has Hoey got to do with a possible future Labour government? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 1 hour ago, Rodhull said: Given all the talk of deselection of 'disloyal' MPs from Labour recently are the likes of Hoey even going to be standing if there was a general election? Surely the DUP would welcome her as a candidate? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted September 26, 2018 Author Share Posted September 26, 2018 The Tories would still back it, as long as it was a good British horse. The European ones would withdraw in fear.And the Belgiums would eat it 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suspect Device Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 2 hours ago, Jacksgranda said: There's a few draughts blowing through those proposals... 19 minutes ago, John Lambies Doos said: 2 hours ago, Mark Connolly said: The Tories would still back it, as long as it was a good British horse. The European ones would withdraw in fear. And the Belgiums would eat it The Belgiums? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted September 26, 2018 Author Share Posted September 26, 2018 The Belgiums? Belgians... Sorry 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suspect Device Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 8 minutes ago, John Lambies Doos said: 10 minutes ago, Suspect Device said: The Belgiums? Belgians... Sorry No, I'm sorry. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 1 hour ago, Antlion said: Surely the DUP would welcome her as a candidate? Don't think the DUP is the natural home for a former Trotskyite. Hopefully she'll soon be a forgotten about footnote after being put out to pasture by the Labour party through deselection. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 5 hours ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: ....Any softening of the stance plays in to the hands of leavers in other countries. ...but but German car manufacturers and Angela Merkel. What should be worrying about that quote is that there's a willingness now to openly put the boot in over making a hard Brexit as difficult as possible to make sure nobody ever tries to do this again and it isn't just something being said behind closed doors. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 24 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said: ...but but German car manufacturers and Angela Merkel. What should be worrying about that quote is that there's a willingness now to openly put the boot in over making a hard Brexit as difficult as possible to make sure nobody ever tries to do this again and it isn't just something being said behind closed doors. They never said it behind closed doors, they simply said it more subtly; but it was always out in the open. I’m not sure what’s more disturbing: 1. the politicians who have always understood this but chose to lie about it because it didn’t suit their agendas; 2. The politicians who understood it but were stupid or naive enough to think they could change the EU position; or 3. the politicians who simply didn’t understand it in the first place. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
git-intae-thum Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 4. The fuckin muppets who voted for it and are still allowed a vote. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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