Jacksgranda Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, Tibbermoresaint said: A traitor to boot. That's the best thing to do with traitors. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 18 minutes ago, Tibbermoresaint said: Fair enough. In collaboration with its enemy he took up arms against his country when it was at war. That's the very definition of treachery. I'm sure he is well regarded in some circles. That doesn't change anything. Nelson fought valiantly for his country, which at the time included Ireland. I find it hard to believe that you're now calling him a traitor, just because he was born in Norfolk. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 1 minute ago, MixuFixit said: So? It's a fairly fundamental fact. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 1 minute ago, welshbairn said: Nelson fought valiantly for his country, which at the time included Ireland. I find it hard to believe that you're now calling him a traitor, just because he was born in Norfolk. Put the bottle down. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 Just now, Tibbermoresaint said: Put the bottle down. You started it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 Just now, welshbairn said: You started it. When did I call Nelson a traitor? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 1 minute ago, MixuFixit said: As with much today, you see in primary colours when reality is muddier. Someone who has never held loyalty for one country cannot betray it. Gibberish. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 Just now, MixuFixit said: No it isn't Tell the executioner that. Good luck. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldbitterandgrumpy Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 1 minute ago, MixuFixit said: No it isn't 'nope' . . . 'no it isn't' . . . really could do with some content here. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 Just now, MixuFixit said: You can call him an enemy if the British state, but he was not a traitor. Dictionary stuff. He was a traitor. Legal stuff. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DublinMagyar Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 Can't recall James Connolly ever taking up arms against Scotland, are there any examples I could peruse? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 3 minutes ago, DublinMagyar said: Can't recall James Connolly enter taking up arms against Scotland, are there any examples I could peruse? Have you ever been to Dublin? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 Fair enough. In collaboration with its enemy he took up arms against his country when it was at war. That's the very definition of treachery. I'm sure he is well regarded in some circles. That doesn't change anything.So why should that preclude him having a statue given that the country he fought to emancipate achieved their independence six years later? As someone else said Mandela was a traitor in some sense but I don’t think people would hold that against him now.**apart from numerous members of the current Conservative government once you plied them with enough coke or booze. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DublinMagyar Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 He was a traitor. Legal stuff.You thinks the deaths caused by JC are in anyway comparable to the thousands upon thousands of deaths inflicted on poor Irish people by the British state? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 Just now, NotThePars said: So why should that preclude him having a statue given that the country he fought to emancipate achieved their independence six years later? As someone else said Mandela was a traitor in some sense but I don’t think people would hold that against him now.* *apart from numerous members of the current Conservative government once you plied them with enough coke or booze. Which part of "traitor" don't you understand? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DublinMagyar Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 Have you ever been to Dublin?Well seeing as I fucking live there, yes 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 1 minute ago, DublinMagyar said: You thinks the deaths caused by JC are in anyway comparable to the thousands upon thousands of deaths inflicted on poor Irish people by the British state? Whataboutery. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 Just now, DublinMagyar said: 3 minutes ago, Tibbermoresaint said: Have you ever been to Dublin? Well seeing as I fucking live there, yes Surely you know of its history then? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 Which part of "traitor" don't you understand? I understand perfectly well but Lenin and Mandela were traitors. There’s still plenty of monuments to them in their own countries. Connolly’s apparently traitorous behaviour was emulated six years later and was successful. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 4 minutes ago, Tibbermoresaint said: Have you ever been to Dublin? 1 minute ago, DublinMagyar said: 4 minutes ago, Tibbermoresaint said: Have you ever been to Dublin? Well seeing as I fucking live there, yes I thought the user name might have been a bit of a clue, tbqh 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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