Brexit slowly becoming a Farce.

[Mark Connolly]

Banks refusing to name the company that provided his company with the money on Andrew Marr.

[Mark Connolly]

Banks really is a horrible c**t.

[DeeTillEhDeh]

Banks really is a horrible c**t.

That's an insult to horrible c***s.

[zidane's child]

1 hour ago, Mark Connolly said:

Banks really is a horrible c**t.

aye you can see he really suffers from "small man with big chip on shoulder syndrome"

[Granny Danger]

The whole Brexit thing has shown how ineffective the law in this country is.

Lying to a Parliamentary committe should be a criminal offence.

 

[ICTJohnboy]

1 hour ago, Mark Connolly said:

Banks refusing to name the company that provided his company with the money on Andrew Marr.

 

Pity that the Beeb couldn't come up with more of a heavyweight for this interview than Andrew Marr, but presumably that's why Banks consented to it.

[ICTJohnboy]

Just fancy that...

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/conservative-party/theresa-may/news/99576/theresa-may-secures-brexit-deal

But on February 2018 said...

http://uk.businessinsider.com/theresa-may-categorically-rules-out-staying-in-a-customs-union-with-the-eu-after-brexit-2018-2

I just love it's being reported by the usual suspects that the EU has backed down on this!

[LongTimeLurker]

The answer will no doubt be that the CU is only temporary until a Canada style free trade deal is agreed. A lot depends on what Jeremy Corbyn does now. The DUP (who may be on side according to some reports) and pro-hard Brexit Tories like Rees-Mogg only really have any leverage if he is firmly in the no camp and it might be difficult for him to find credible grounds to reject an all-UK CU deal if it means he gets blamed later for a hard Brexit.

Edited November 4, 2018 by LongTimeLurker

[Granny Danger]

Where does such an arrangement leave the UK’s ability to agree trade deals with other countries?  Where does it leave the fisheries agreements?  Does it impact on free movement of people?  Over 28 months since the referendum and the best they can cobble together is this?

If May is seen to backtrack there could well be a leadership challenge.  If 48 Tory MPs are prepared to challenge her then at least that number might vote against this proposal.

 

 

[ICTJohnboy]

2 minutes ago, Granny Danger said:

Where does such an arrangement leave the UK’s ability to agree trade deals with other countries?  Where does it leave the fisheries agreements?  Does it impact on free movement of people?  Over 28 months since the referendum and the best they can cobble together is this?

If May is seen to backtrack there could well be a leadership challenge.  If 48 Tory MPs are prepared to challenge her then at least that number might vote against this proposal.

 

 

 

She'll argue that a No deal would be an utter catastrophe and that this compromise (fudge) is something that should be accepted by all. 

I can't see how a change of leader would help get us out of this mess - unless it was somebody prepared to argue that we really need to have a complete rethink and consider another people's vote - with an option to call the whole thing off.

[Granny Danger]

21 minutes ago, ICTJohnboy said:

 

She'll argue that a No deal would be an utter catastrophe and that this compromise (fudge) is something that should be accepted by all. 

I can't see how a change of leader would help get us out of this mess - unless it was somebody prepared to argue that we really need to have a complete rethink and consider another people's vote - with an option to call the whole thing off.

It’s not us who will decide on a leadership challenge.

I hope Corbyn does not to bail May out though their will be some Labour MPs who will do so for their own reasons.

 

[ICTJohnboy]

22 minutes ago, Granny Danger said:

It’s not us who will decide on a leadership challenge.

I hope Corbyn does not to bail May out though their will be some Labour MPs who will do so for their own reasons.

 

 

Labour too, could, and should, be seriously considering a change of leadership.

As an "Old Labour" person (sic) who would your money be on?

 

 

Edited November 4, 2018 by ICTJohnboy

[mjw]

 
Pity that the Beeb couldn't come up with more of a heavyweight for this interview than Andrew Marr, but presumably that's why Banks consented to it.

Aye, his PR have knocked every one else back.

[welshbairn]

22 minutes ago, Granny Danger said:

It’s not us who will decide on a leadership challenge.

I hope Corbyn does not to bail May out though their will be some Labour MPs who will do so for their own reasons.

 

If the deal means we're close to staying in the EU it would be worth Corbyn backing it just to see Boris, Rees Mogg, Fox and Gove's heads exploding. Hopefully it would bankrupt the fuckers.

[Granny Danger]

 

8 minutes ago, ICTJohnboy said:

 

Labour too, could, and should, be seriously considering a change of leadership.

As an "Old Labour" person (sic) who would your money be on?

 

 

Labour shouldn’t be doing any such thing.  That doesn’t mean I agree with Corbyn on this.

2 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

If the deal means we're close to staying in the EU it would be worth Corbyn backing it just to see Boris, Rees Mogg, Fox and Gove's heads exploding. Hopefully it would bankrupt the fuckers.

The priority of the leader of the opposition should not be screwing up May’s opponents.  There are far more important considerations.

 

[welshbairn]

7 minutes ago, Granny Danger said:

 

Labour shouldn’t be doing any such thing.  That doesn’t mean I agree with Corbyn on this.

The priority of the leader of the opposition should not be screwing up May’s opponents.  There are far more important considerations.

 

Like avoiding a hard Brexit.

[Granny Danger]

6 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

Like avoiding a hard Brexit.

It’s naive to think that Brexit is binary.  Even the softest Brexit will have severe ramifications.

 

[LongTimeLurker]

1 hour ago, Granny Danger said:

It’s naive to think that Brexit is binary.  Even the softest Brexit will have severe ramifications.

Not true. The Norway EEA approach would have made very little difference beyond not having a direct say on EU policy. A UK wide customs union as the backstop until a free trade deal can be agreed is way better than a hard Brexit under WTO rules. Politicians who are willing to contemplate the latter for petty party political reasons or because they think it brings Scottish independence or UI closer are playing with fire.

[Granny Danger]

Just now, LongTimeLurker said:

Not true. The Norway EEA approach would have made very little difference beyond not having a direct say on EU policy. A UK wide customs union as the backstop until a free trade deal can be agreed is way better than a hard Brexit under WTO rules. Politicians who are willing to contemplate the latter for petty party political reasons or because they think it brings Scottish independence or UI closer are playing with fire.

Varies studies have shown even the softest Brexit will have disbenefits.

Brexit is already having disbenefits.

Are certain options better/worse than other?  Yes.

The best option is not to proceed with Brexit and whilst that might not be Corbyn’s position it is the prevelant view amongst Labour PMs IMO.

So Corbyn frustrating May’s proposal is the best thing.  For me the Scottish Independence issue may be heavily linked to the ongoing farce but it needs to take second place.  Stopping Brexit is the priority.

 

[LongTimeLurker]

Of course Remain is the best option but Leave won the referendum, so some sort of Brexit has to happen. An EEA style Brexit would have been no big deal and would have been easy to achieve if Labour wasn't led by a tankie nutter like Corbyn and Theresa May hadn't called her vanity general election that left her short of a parliamentary majority giving fringe nutters like Rees-Mogg more leverage than they otherwise would have had.