LongTimeLurker Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 18 minutes ago, Whitburn Vale said: Taken from the "fitba north" forum That's a major sea change in attitudes to say the least. Until very recently on there the pyramid was only for weirdos from south of Stonehaven and the prevailing attitude was that the central belt should mind its own business and let the north do its own thing. Maybe Cove Rangers tearing League Two a new one this season has changed people's minds. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hillonearth Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 1 hour ago, EdinburghBlue said: If it weren’t for the grammar and spelling, this could have come from TJ. I've tried and failed to make sense of where he's going with this - bits of it read like a William Burroughs cutup. I'm amazed this made it past what editorial roadblocks remain at the Record: "Aye, that's fine Gordon...naebody's gonny read it anyway...." The only salient point he makes is that somehow clubs will somehow lose touch with their local communities, which is arrant nonsense given the efforts that clubs make to engage locally. It reminds me of the stuff that fud Spiers used to write with background knowledge confined to the one Junior Cup final he watched on TV in the 90s. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top of Meeks Road Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 (edited) More typical nonsense from Parks. The pyramid ain't ripping the game apart... for many the game has left them behind. Like Greyhound stadiums and bustling High Streets, junior football clubs are a victim of 21st century society. Times have changed, interest in the main has diminished and progress means a rebooting of what's gone before and a streamlining of the system. Many clubs rely on older loyal stalwarts to keep going with little sign that the following generations harbour similar dedication to carry the fight on. Most clubs are effectively amateur in everything but name and struggle to provide even the most basic facilities for a dwindling fan base. This downturn won't change just the same as high five-figure crowds ain't going to return to showpiece non league Finals. The pyramid is a long overdue restructuring of the grassroots game that no amount of sentiment can deny. Edited February 16, 2020 by Top of Meeks Road 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaz5 Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 If it weren’t for the grammar and spelling, this could have come from TJ. Usual ill informed shite from Parksy. If he wrote a story saying the sky was blue I'd have to go outside to double check. Not worth taking seriously. He mentions his old clubs, but clearly hasn't fact checked to see how moving to the Pyramid has been such a negative for Dunipace. A club that was nearly dead sitting second bottom of the West region, 2 seasons later challenging at the top of a league for the first time in years, managing to beat Lowland League challengers in the South Cup, increased gates, a bigger community club below the Senior team and a Development pathway that never existed before. Oh and the Pie and Bovril are the same price they always were, as is entry, you just get a far better product now. Buffoon. 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 18 hours ago, theesel1994 said: ALL their games are on a Tuesday night. And it's usually wet. And, if possible. in November. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 18 hours ago, FairWeatherFan said: So far 4. Only one of which was a league fixture. The other 3 were cup games played in July and August. That's all Tuesday/Wednesday by the way. Nothing scheduled for the rest of the season but there might be postponements. Last year there were 4 games as well. 2 were early season cup games. The other 2 were league games in February and March which were possibly down to making up games. 2017-18 = 7 games. 3 early season cup games. 4 leagues games but 1 of those was the 2nd January so doesn't really count as it was new year's. The other 3 league games were in March due to a backlog. Basically the early rounds of the League Cup and Challenge Cup are regionalised so you wouldn't have to worry about playing them. Then there's the possibility of a handful of midweek league games but only if you happen to have suffered a postponement against them. Also out of those midweek league games. Only two were in Elgin. You and your facts. Begone! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 15 hours ago, Sergeant Wilson said: .... Since 2000. Slowly, slowly, catchee monkey... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsforlife Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 51 minutes ago, TheLad said: Beneficial to who? Everyone basically. It would give clubs assurances they aren’t alone, it could generate further interest from clubs not wanting to be left behind and it would give the league more validity as it seeks confirmation from SFA/SoS. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marten Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 1 hour ago, EdinburghBlue said: If it weren’t for the grammar and spelling, this could have come from TJ. Clearly another of those people who think that senior non-league football is somehow vastly different from junior football. Less local derbies, longer traveling, that won't apply to the vast majority of clubs as they will still be in a west league covering more or less the same area as the WRJFA. Only when promoted to the LL most clubs will have slightly fewer derbies and slightly longer traveling. And low prices, community feel etc. Has he ever been to a LL/EOS/SOS game? That's not much different. Things will only really change when clubs get promoted to SPFL2. That will only happen to a handful of clubs at best. Also, even though prices will be higher at away games in the SFPL, there is no rule that the promoted club themselves will have to raise their own prices... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 9 minutes ago, parsforlife said: ... and it would give the league more validity as it seeks confirmation from SFA/SoS. All the indications have been that initially a WoS will be part of the LL structure, so there is no need for approvals from that quarter for the west feeder to get up and running any more than the EoS would need approval to add an extra division for next season. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marten Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 (edited) 10 hours ago, GordonS said: Ask occasional fans if they've heard of the Junior Cup, obviously they have, they'll have been to finals and watched on TV. Ask them if they've heard of the South Challenge Cup and few will know what it is. The name recognition is really valuable IMO, it would be nice if a way could be found to retain it. I fear not though. ETA: Doesn't help that my club haven't had a run in any cups since switching to the seniors, of course. We chose a bad time to be a bit shite... In England the famous FA Amateur Cup got scrapped in favour of the FA Trophy and FA Vase and people were feeling that it wouldn't be the same. People got used to the new competitions quick enough and their finals are absolutely major events in the English non-league football calendar. It's all about what replaces it. I still think there should be a competition with all the clubs invited that are currently in the Junior Cup, South Challenge Cup, Highland League and North Caledonian League. Let the SFA take over the organisation, re-brand it as the SFA Trophy, play the final at Hampden and fans will get used to it quickly. It will take some getting used to, but if done right, soon enough it will have the same or a higher status than the Junior Cup. Edited February 16, 2020 by Marten 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitburn Vale Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 40 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said: That's a major sea change in attitudes to say the least. Until very recently on there the pyramid was only for weirdos from south of Stonehaven and the prevailing attitude was that the central belt should mind its own business and let the north do its own thing. Maybe Cove Rangers tearing League Two a new one this season has changed people's minds. Theres a meeting soon between the HFL,NCL and NRJFA with the agenda about setting up a pyramid below the HFL. Not sure if it's for the start of next season or 21/22. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Moomintroll Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 Wikipedia entry: During his time playing in the juniors, Parks became a sports journalist, and worked for the daily record. In a combined role as a player and journalist, he described the goings on at firs park in his weekly column Parks Life. Parks tried and trusted method of journaling is to throw excrement at his computer screen. Parks has since returned to journalism, writing for the Daily RecordWritten by a fellow Killie supporter, he once contrived to criticise us for signing a lot of lower league English dreck to the detriment of Scottish Youth development ( he wasn't that wrong there tbf) & having too many sub standard players in the Scottish National Team age groups within a few months of each other. Has continued to blame us for SOD being our best Right Back like that is somehow our fault, bitter twisted little man. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Moomintroll Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 So playing in the WOSL will be traveling more than playing in the West Premier, and no amateur teams have joined the pyramid, guys a clown, maybe the pyramid will save amateur footballHe has always been an utter imbecile. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 Parksy, parksy, parksy......your old club Dunipace moved to the eos 2 years ago and have flourished.....here was me thinking that before you wrote an article in a newspaper you had to check your facts and make it objective, without any personal opinion or bias. That is essentially the Dear Deidre version of the pyramid debate. What people will do and write to try and stay relevant and ensure they get something in the paper. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 On another note, the pyramid is going well without the junior cup. There is no requirement for it to go anywhere but the junior game. As a player I didn't feel anything about it, all it did was delay a season and ensure I played Saturday, Monday, Wednesday, Saturday.It never held any great status for me and the league was always more important.I realise other feel differently and that's okay, but not everyone felt/feels the same way about it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glensmad Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 At the end of the day, the junior clubs voted two years ago by 99 votes to 55 to move into the pyramid. What an uninformed part time journalist thinks about it is irrelevant. The clubs overwhelmingly said they want. If the SJFA can't facilitate it, then it's no surprise that the clubs are taking matters into their own hands to get Jexit done. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 9 minutes ago, glensmad said: At the end of the day, the junior clubs voted two years ago by 99 votes to 55 to move into the pyramid. What an uninformed part time journalist thinks about it is irrelevant. The clubs overwhelmingly said they want. If the SJFA can't facilitate it, then it's no surprise that the clubs are taking matters into their own hands to get Jexit done. That bit seems to be overlooked in these "dear, oh, dear" articles. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy25 Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 Does that not say more about the standard of the League that they have moved into if one of the worst teams in the West Region can be challenging at the top of the EOS League [emoji848] Usual ill informed shite from Parksy. If he wrote a story saying the sky was blue I'd have to go outside to double check. Not worth taking seriously. He mentions his old clubs, but clearly hasn't fact checked to see how moving to the Pyramid has been such a negative for Dunipace. A club that was nearly dead sitting second bottom of the West region, 2 seasons later challenging at the top of a league for the first time in years, managing to beat Lowland League challengers in the South Cup, increased gates, a bigger community club below the Senior team and a Development pathway that never existed before. Oh and the Pie and Bovril are the same price they always were, as is entry, you just get a far better product now. Buffoon. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Moomintroll Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 Parksy, parksy, parksy......your old club Dunipace moved to the eos 2 years ago and have flourished.....here was me thinking that before you wrote an article in a newspaper you had to check your facts and make it objective, without any personal opinion or bias. That is essentially the Dear Deidre version of the pyramid debate. What people will do and write to try and stay relevant and ensure they get something in the paper. Aye but Jabba will give him a pat on the heid & say nice things to his boss, so totally worth selling out for. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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