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Junior football, what is the future?


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Just now, Kilbowie Benches said:

Where is the proof of this rule which states there has to be agreement.

It must be written somewhere? 

 

 

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12 minutes ago, Kilbowie Benches said:

Re post it then.

I get why former Juniors clubs are going to be pissed off.

Clubs left for no reason.

If Clydebank never voted to go Senior & no clubs moved to the EoS.

The SJFA would still be touting their SJFA Lowland Super League and wanting entry at Tier 5.

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1 minute ago, Kilbowie Benches said:

EoS board meeting minutes.

Where is the rule,it can’t be that hard to find said rule in the LL constitution or the SFA handbook?

 

You don't need to be shown the rule, it's the same as the regulations governing  the SPFL play-offs, where the SFA, SPFL, HL and LL needs to agree on any change of format.    For the LL play-offs, the SFA, LL, EoS and SoS all have to agree to any changes in format to the play-offs.  The SJFA wont know that as they are not in the Pyramid, but the rule exists as pointed out above.

Also bear in mind, the Secretary of the EoS is also the Secretary of the Lowland League, he performs both roles and presumably issues the above minutes, so he more than anyone must be well aware of the rules governing play-offs.

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36 minutes ago, GNU_Linux said:

the idea of no longer being 'junior' scares some people to death like going senior will somehow change things for the worst and the sky will start raining blood. I personally don't see what the sjfa would do sans the junior cup & my own preference is for west juniors to become a wosl, an independant regional league like the EOS etc. These leagues don't need a middle man between them & the SFA so why would the west need one. Don't think it'll happen though.

Isn't the WR president from Clydebank? No idea what's going on behind the scenes, but I'm sure they would be much happier to be in a west senior league than the EOS. Maybe some clubs aren't happy with the SJFA's slow progress, and realising that with Clydebank going others could follow so best to sort things out themselves?

9 minutes ago, Kilbowie Benches said:

Where is the rule,it can’t be that hard to find said rule in the LL constitution or the SFA handbook?

The LL rules define how promotion/relegation works. If there's no change to their rules then come next season everything will just carry on as before with the EOS/SOS play-off. Imagine the scenario where the SJFA wants in at tier 5 - that wouldn't happen with agreement from the SPFL, LL, HL - so it's the same with tier 6.

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26 minutes ago, Kilbowie Benches said:

Re post it then.

I get why former Juniors clubs are going to be pissed off.

Clubs left for no reason.

I'm not pissed off we are having the season of our lives. No one's pissed off that if your version did happened oh we should have stayed you'd have to be a right moron to think that

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11 minutes ago, Burnie_man said:

You don't need to be shown the rule, it's the same as the regulations governing  the SPFL play-offs, where the SFA, SPFL, HL and LL needs to agree on any change of format.    For the LL play-offs, the SFA, LL, EoS and SoS all have to agree to any changes in format to the play-offs.  The SJFA wont know that as they are not in the Pyramid, but the rule exists as pointed out above.

Also bear in mind, the Secretary of the EoS is also the Secretary of the Lowland League, he performs both roles and presumably issues the above minutes, so he more than anyone must be well aware of the rules governing play-offs.

So there is no rule then,thanks 

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10 minutes ago, Kilbowie Benches said:

So there is no rule then,thanks 

There is though I can't confirm how it appears. Lowland League reference how promotion & relegation works and only list the SoS & EoS. 

SoS constitution references their playoff as defined by Pyramid Playoff Rules or something similar. They do not then go on and list what those rules are exactly.

The EoS constitution isn't online, but someone has checked it and said the SPFL playoff has been mirrored for the Lowland League playoff. Just that SPFL/SFA/HL/LL has been replaced by LL/SFA/EOS/SOS. You need agreement of all 4 for changes.

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Denial is a river in Egypt that runs past the pyramids, basically. 

23 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said:

...The EoS constitution isn't online, but someone has checked it and said the SPFL playoff has been mirrored for the Lowland League playoff. Just that SPFL/SFA/HL/LL has been replaced by LL/SFA/EOS/SOS. You need agreement of all 4 for changes.

...and any constitution of a directly affiliated SFA member league that is in the pyramid will have to have been OK'd by the SFA.

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46 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said:

There is though I can't confirm how it appears. Lowland League reference how promotion & relegation works and only list the SoS & EoS. 

SoS constitution references their playoff as defined by Pyramid Playoff Rules or something similar. They do not then go on and list what those rules are exactly.

The EoS constitution isn't online, but someone has checked it and said the SPFL playoff has been mirrored for the Lowland League playoff. Just that SPFL/SFA/HL/LL has been replaced by LL/SFA/EOS/SOS. You need agreement of all 4 for changes.

It would need to be in the LL constitution and not the EoS one.Ive had a read and it isn’t.

As for saying the SPFL play off  rule is that it has to be agreed by all 4.That isn’t the case either as it states that the SPFL can change it at any time.

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1 minute ago, Kilbowie Benches said:

It would need to be in the LL constitution and not the EoS one.Ive had a read and it isn’t.

As for saying the SPFL play off  rule is that it has to be agreed by all 4.That isn’t the case either as it states that the SPFL can change it at any time.

Hi,

can you post those documents you refer to or at least links to online versions,

thanks.

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1 minute ago, Jason King said:

Can someone explain for those of us who dont quite understand what is going on -

whats this about Clydebank moving to the EOS?

Clydebank applied last year and deferred it a year due to their planned upheaval from Holm Park.  As it stands, they join the EoS next season.

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