glensmad Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 4 minutes ago, theesel1994 said: Is my understanding of this wrong - under Option W - only one Premiership club would leave for the Lowland League - IF the League winner was Licenced. Under Option X - eight clubs WILL leave the West Region (not necessarily from the Premiership) to make up the expanded Lowland League. No, I don't believe that to be correct. The only difference between options W and X is that one of them has the East Region juniors in at the same level as the East of Scotland League. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theesel1994 Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 1 minute ago, glensmad said: No, I don't believe that to be correct. The only difference between options W and X is that one of them has the East Region juniors in at the same level as the East of Scotland League. My mistake, I meant Option Z. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peters Wyngarde Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said: This was an option that was presented to the LL, EoS, SoS and SJFA by the SFA board and isn't something that's just been dreamed up by "Ra Jooners" on a whim. So the SOS members would just allow Junior clubs to take all of the places? Threave are just going to accept it? Again its currently wishful thinking, from those in the bubble, to assume that Junior clubs would take these (at this point mythical) 16 spaces in an expanded LL. Edited January 17, 2020 by Peters Wyngarde 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, theesel1994 said: The way the Options were worded, the Management Committee's preferred Option Z was highlighted as having the approval of the East Region, SPFL and LL... Are you sure on the SPFL and LL bit, because that's extremely important information, if accurate? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 5 minutes ago, Peters Wyngarde said: So the SOS members would just allow Junior clubs to take all of the places? Almost no SoS clubs are interested in stepping up to the LL, so they would not be much of a factor. Glasgow Uni would be an interesting one to watch though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 There is a difference between being interested in playing in the current Lowland League and being interested in playing in a Lowland League West which may contain relatively nearby clubs like Auchinleck and Cumnock. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted January 17, 2020 Author Share Posted January 17, 2020 This was an option that was presented to the LL, EoS, SoS and SJFA by the SFA board and isn't something that's just been dreamed up by "Ra Jooners" on a whim.It wasn't presented by the SFA board at all. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsforlife Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 The way the Options were worded, the Management Committee's preferred Option Z was highlighted as having the approval of the East Region, SPFL and LL. They do not say if Option W had the approval of SPFL or LL. Obviously the East Region are against it. The East Region are not on the same level anymore as the West Region. They have already lost all their top clubs to Senior Football. The way the West Region is going, it will also lose its top clubs.I highly doubt anything is LL or spfl approved at this stage. Dangerously close to the ‘sure thing’ we all heard last year.https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/ayrshire/top-football-official-admits-making-21299575Bye Scott. If Bo'ness United get promoted this season, it could easily be another five seasons before there is another derby game with Lithgae Rose given the absurd promotion and relegation format that is in place. The status quo has some serious issues as well as it is currently constituted.Isn’t that mainly because Linlithgow aren’t very good just now? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted January 17, 2020 Author Share Posted January 17, 2020 The way the Options were worded, the Management Committee's preferred Option Z was highlighted as having the approval of the East Region, SPFL and LL. They do not say if Option W had the approval of SPFL or LL. Obviously the East Region are against it. The East Region are not on the same level anymore as the West Region. They have already lost all their top clubs to Senior Football. The way the West Region is going, it will also lose its top clubs.There is no approval or disapproval, that's what these meetings are supposed to be for, to provide feedback on all four proposals plus the boundary. That seem to have got lost along the way in the west. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theesel1994 Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 27 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said: Are you sure on the SPFL and LL bit, because that's extremely important information, if accurate? The word used was "support" - my bad. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theesel1994 Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Burnie_man said: 35 minutes ago, theesel1994 said: The way the Options were worded, the Management Committee's preferred Option Z was highlighted as having the approval of the East Region, SPFL and LL. They do not say if Option W had the approval of SPFL or LL. Obviously the East Region are against it. The East Region are not on the same level anymore as the West Region. They have already lost all their top clubs to Senior Football. The way the West Region is going, it will also lose its top clubs. There is no approval or disapproval, that's what these meetings are supposed to be for, to provide feedback on all four proposals plus the boundary. That seem to have got lost along the way in the west. "Support" not "Approval." Edited January 17, 2020 by theesel1994 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 1 minute ago, theesel1994 said: The word used was "support" - my bad. Even that would be highly significant and would suggest that option Z could actually happen. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 22 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said: Almost no SoS clubs are interested in stepping up to the LL, so they would not be much of a factor. Glasgow Uni would be an interesting one to watch though. So SoS clubs would have no interest in being in the inaugural LL west, even though their league champions would likely be automatically promoted to it anyway? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaz5 Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 Is my understanding of this wrong - under Option W - only one Premiership club would leave for the Lowland League - IF the League winner was Licenced. Under Option Z - eight clubs WILL leave the West Region (not necessarily from the Premiership) to make up the expanded Lowland League. EDIT : Corrected the Option X to Z. Clubs from WRSJFA will be able to apply for the vacancies created by splitting the LL East and West, but that doesn't mean 8/10 (depending on league size) will be accepted. As has been pointed out, there are already licenced West based clubs who fall outside of the LL who would also be able to apply. Teams who already had a licence would likely take precedent over those who don't in the process, given that is a requirement of the league. It's not all about the West Juniors filling the empty spots, despite how it is being sold in some quarters. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 ...but think it's still safe to conclude that it would be surprising if most of the vacancies were not filled by west region junior clubs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaz5 Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 Depends who applies. Could be a few curve balls.Safe to say some of them would be filled by WRSJFA teams, but that's a far cry from the "all", "8", "10" bring presented as fact earlier in the thread.Might also be a surprise who is chosen. With licensing being the criteria for the league, it may be the league chooses teams who are better equipped to achieve that in a year over those who are not.Putting the lines of Gartcairn/Peasy ahead of the lines of Pollok (floodlights?) as an example.There are many ways it could go and that's why West in first at Tier 6 then split LL once enough West juniors are licensed makes more sense.We all want to see the best teams higher up the structure, this is not a guaranteed way to achieve that, in my humble opinion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pipedreamer Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 14 minutes ago, theesel1994 said: "Support" not "Approval." I don’t believe that is correct at all, certainly not the feeling of LL clubs anyway. Again it seems like those in power in the wrsjfa are telling their members porkies to get their desired outcome. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaz5 Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 I don’t believe that is correct at all, certainly not the feeling of LL clubs anyway. Again it seems like those in power in the wrsjfa are telling their members porkies to get their desired outcome.Agreed.From what I understand there's little support for a split to LL East and LL West at LL level. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted January 17, 2020 Author Share Posted January 17, 2020 25 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said: Even that would be highly significant and would suggest that option Z could actually happen. I wouldn't get to excited. These are the same people who claimed "done deal" last year. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted January 17, 2020 Author Share Posted January 17, 2020 12 minutes ago, pipedreamer said: I don’t believe that is correct at all, certainly not the feeling of LL clubs anyway. Again it seems like those in power in the wrsjfa are telling their members porkies to get their desired outcome. No shock there. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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