Fifes Elite Force Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 5 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said: Think I would tend to agree with you. Don't think there is any huge danger in modern day Scotland in giving a few fringe cranks freedom of expression as long as the full force of the legal system is very much likely to be applied if/when they move beyond that to actually attacking people and intimidating them. People that think they need to take the law into their own hands to prevent a rerurn of 1930s Germany from happening somewhere like Perth are basically deluded. I wouldn't be so confident with the state doing its job properly by not covertly colluding with the far right in some parts of Eastern Europe right now or some of the less enlightened parts of the United States, but in Scotland no danger. I would say there's more chance of it happening if you have the state that level of power to decide. All you need is one bad government Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenconner Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 6 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said: Think I would tend to agree with you. Don't think there is any huge danger in modern day Scotland in giving a few fringe cranks freedom of expression as long as the full force of the legal system is very much likely to be applied if/when they move beyond that to actually attacking people and intimidating them. People that think they need to take the law into their own hands to prevent a rerurn of 1930s Germany from happening somewhere like Perth are basically deluded. I wouldn't be so confident with the state doing its job properly by not covertly colluding with the far right in some parts of Eastern Europe right now or some of the less enlightened parts of the United States, but in Scotland no danger. hee hee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 I wouldnt say that or even hinted at it. I think it hasn't helped at times though. One thing that was a massive issue was a very intolerant group called the Nazis who didn't like anyone expressing an opinion they didn't like and used the state to regulate what people should do and think and used violence to stop people voicing an opinion. Yes it was famously the Nazi's opposition to freedom of speech that prompted widespread revulsion and subsequent trials at The Hague. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fifes Elite Force Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 14 minutes ago, NotThePars said: Yes it was famously the Nazi's opposition to freedom of speech that prompted widespread revulsion and subsequent trials at The Hague. Wasn't my point generally tbh. Feel free to read my other posts on the matter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falkirkthebigclub Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 37 minutes ago, Fifes Elite Force said: All you need is one bad government We're doomed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Pack Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 The view of the Tay is pretty impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chomp my root Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 45 minutes ago, Menzel said: I wasn't going to answer the question because it's ridiculous to compare militant anti-fascists with an organised force like the NSDAP, unless you're one of those hand-wringing "they're both as bad as each other!!!" idiots. Can we take it that you're one of those "hand wringing idiots" that will justify one side behaving badly because you disapprove of the other side behaving badly ? I'm all for these wee fuds getting to do their march, it shows them for what they are, same as Griffin being shown to be a bigot and a clown on TV. Others will see them for what they are too and won't want to be associated with them. A country of our size will have all sorts of points of view, I'm unlikely to agree with all of them but that doesn't mean anyone who see's things differently is bad/wrong or whatever. Where do we stand on the royal family, there's a fair number (myself included) who want rid, we're allowed to have that view although I'm sure there's some obscure rule that we're not allowed to. Our tolerance is what makes us 'better', we let people do their marches, pro this, anti that, then we go about our business. Honestly, anyone who thinks that if we're not careful the Scottish Defence Army will somehow subvert the country and turn us into a Nazi Utopia is a fantasist, these counter marches are about a different bunch 'acting out'. Bad behaviour is bad behaviour, they are as bad as each other, it takes 2 to have a punch up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falkirkthebigclub Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 I'll just take a moment to remind everyone that we're talking about a group of people who want to ethnically cleanse our land. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 "Bad behaviour is bad behaviour" that's a staggering level of nuance added to the discussion right there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chomp my root Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 15 minutes ago, badgerthewitness said: I'll just take a moment to remind everyone that we're talking about a group of people who want to ethnically cleanse our land. I'll not lose any sleep over the handful of horrible p***ks who want to ethnically cleanse the country, there are probably more rapists out there, lets not get too emotive over what a bunch of wee bellends want, there are all sorts of people with all sorts of views, they're welcome to their views, there are people who want to lower the age of consent, they're more likely to get that than this wee group of wannabe Nazi's are of getting theirs. For the sake of clarity, I don't want to lower the age of consent or be under the jackbooted heels of The Rangers fans ( sorry, couldn't help it). We've got enough oppression under the current regime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anotherchance Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 I'll just take a moment to remind everyone that we're talking about a group of people who want to ethnically cleanse our land. Everyone knows, and everyone gets it.What people don't agree on is whether the government should have free reign to ban whatever sort of protest they see fit, which is infinitely more dangerous than a tiny proportion of eejits walking down Perth High Street hiding their faces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 We were able to successfully ignore the likes of the Scottish Republican Socialist Party and Cairde na hÉireann as they banged away on a bodhrán or two without a second front ever opening up for Irish republicanism in the west of Scotland. I am confident we can do the same with the SDL without Princes Street turning into Unter der Linden in torchlight procession terms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmic Joe Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Happy to allow these racist neo-nazi cretins to get ridiculed in every town in Scotland that they show face.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chomp my root Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 54 minutes ago, NotThePars said: "Bad behaviour is bad behaviour" that's a staggering level of nuance added to the discussion right there. Aye, that free speech is a fecker when people say hateful things you don't like. The best way to deal with it is to shout hateful stuff back at them. They'll rue the day etc. Behaving like a dick because you think others are being dickish doesn't make you any less of a dick. It probably means you like the attention as much as the other dicks though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch road Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 The SDL deserve all the beatings they get. Uneducated, backwards scum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chomp my root Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 5 minutes ago, Finch road said: The SDL deserve all the beatings they get. Uneducated, backwards scum No argument from me, I do respect their right to enrage us enough to beat them though. http://imgur.com/sQA5BP0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 6 minutes ago, chomp my root said: Aye, that free speech is a fecker when people say hateful things you don't like. The best way to deal with it is to shout hateful stuff back at them. They'll rue the day etc. Behaving like a dick because you think others are being dickish doesn't make you any less of a dick. It probably means you like the attention as much as the other dicks though. The best thing for white supremacists is a punch in the face. That's why Richard Spencer was afraid to leave the house for months and why the EDL have to hide behind a massive police presence every single time they hold a demonstration. Give me violent antifa's who consider the safety and security of minority groups in society as more important than some vague concern trolling for free speech. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chomp my root Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Just now, NotThePars said: The best thing for white supremacists is a punch in the face. That's why Richard Spencer was afraid to leave the house for months and why the EDL have to hide behind a massive police presence every single time they hold a demonstration. Give me violent antifa's who consider the safety and security of minority groups in society as more important than some vague concern trolling for free speech. Ah, gotcha, as long as its something YOU agree with then its fine to dish out the beatings. All sounds a bit um. what's the word I'm looking for..... I take it in your house its the biggest that gets the remote control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Just now, chomp my root said: Ah, gotcha, as long as its something YOU agree with then its fine to dish out the beatings. All sounds a bit um. what's the word I'm looking for..... I take it in your house its the biggest that gets the remote control. Well, yes because I don't think that white supremacists should be free to charge around the place demanding forcible repatriation and reprisals against vulnerable minority groups in this country. How that differs from, well, the entire history of national socialism and fascism is apparent to anyone who can read words and understand history beyond some vague overly simplistic equivalency drawing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menzel Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 There's a difference between people "saying things you don't like" and people actively advocating for your expulsion from your own country or your actual death you balloon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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