Jimmy85 Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 6 minutes ago, invergowrie arab said: Have we moved on from the sad but necessary act of chastisement for the greater good to justifying hitting kids because we are stressed out and have lost temper? Yup. After a tough day at work it appears some posters have no choice but to smack their children. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scary Bear Posted October 22, 2017 Author Share Posted October 22, 2017 Are all the governments across the planet who have made the behaviour you alluded to illegal also trolls? No, just you and few others on here who enjoy the anonymity of the Internet. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 Just now, Scary Bear said: No, just you and few others on here who enjoy the anonymity of the Internet. Are you threatening to hit Jimmy? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy85 Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 1 minute ago, Scary Bear said: No, just you and few others on here who enjoy the anonymity of the Internet. Having a pop at someone from posting on an Internet forum while, erm, posting on an Internet forum. Superb. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scary Bear Posted October 22, 2017 Author Share Posted October 22, 2017 As mentioned in previous posts, I don't think smacking is the way to go. However, I can see scenarios where parents may do it. Sleep deprivation definitely didn't enhance my parenting skills. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 2 hours ago, J_Stewart said: Some thread this, TCK using his university of life degree to decry those damn 'experts', people in their 50s and 60s whose generation went in a family holiday a year and bought their house for £4.72 and three fingers of a four finger twix accusing "millennials" (a lot of whom won't own a house until their parents both die and pass it to them, and who'll likely have to work until the day they themselves die) of being entitled, and banana and swampy going baws flapping oot in the batshit mental stakes, and that's before we even get to the actual subject matter. Some thread. We don't have kids yet, but I can't imagine a scenario where I'd ever smack a child or use any capacity of violence as a disciplinary measure. Obviously can't say for definite until you're in that situation, but I just don't see it. This is the important part until they reach adulthood, it's pretty easy to ignore a toddlers tantrums, not so easy to deal with a 13/14 stone teenager trying to be the boss. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiskychimp Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 14 minutes ago, invergowrie arab said: Have we moved on from the sad but necessary act of chastisement for the greater good to justifying hitting kids because we are stressed out and have lost temper? I haven't seen anyone on here say that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chlamydia Kid Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 What the World Health Organisation and UNICEF say about the effect of these laws. Evidence: Observational studies suggest these laws can reduce the use of violent punishment against children, deepen understanding of the negative effects on children of violent punishment, and change attitudes towards the use of such punishment (39–41). Findings from a study comparing five European countries – three of which had bans on corporal punishment and two of which did not – report that nearly all forms of corporal punishment were used less commonly in countries with legal bans than in those without such bans (42). Furthermore, acceptance of corporal punishment was lower in countries with bans on corporal punishment (43). A systematic review also showed that legislative restrictions on corporal punishment in 24 countries were closely associated with decreased support for and use of corporal punishment as a child discipline approach (43). By 2016, nearly 50 countries had prohibited all violent punishment of children, and another 52 had committed to doing so (44). None of that says anything about the “effect” of the laws. That tells you about associations between support for smacking and the law by jurisdiction. You are assuming that because there is a relationship between 2 variables (the law and attitudes to smacking) that one causes the other. There is absolutely no evidence put forward for that In what you’ve cut and pasted that the change in the law has led to attitudes changing. The attitudes to smacking g could have led to the change in the law or else some other factor could link the 2. Correlation does not equal causation. It also tells us absolute nothing about the impact of smacking on kids and I’ve not seen anyone present any specific examples of the detrimental impact thus far. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 37 minutes ago, whiskychimp said: Its odd as he comes across as the angriest person on here. It's obviously ok to hit other peoples kids if they push your buttons. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiskychimp Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 Just now, ayrmad said: It's obviously ok to hit other peoples kids if they push your buttons. Never thought of it like that. It's a good point. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 Can we combine this pish with the Pregnancy & Parenting thread, where you can discuss how best to chastise your dull, ugly weans to your heart's content? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chomp my root Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 6 minutes ago, The Chlamydia Kid said: None of that says anything about the “effect” of the laws. That tells you about associations between support for smacking and the law by jurisdiction. You are assuming that because there is a relationship between 2 variables (the law and attitudes to smacking) that one causes the other. There is absolutely no evidence put forward for that In what you’ve cut and pasted that the change in the law has led to attitudes changing. The attitudes to smacking g could have led to the change in the law or else some other factor could link the 2. Correlation does not equal causation. It also tells us absolute nothing about the impact of smacking on kids and I’ve not seen anyone present any specific examples of the detrimental impact thus far. As has been said earlier, there are a number of situations that can have an impact on kids. I wonder how many of those that are quick to condemn a bit of corporal punishment on a child would happily threaten or commit violence to another adult in front of children. That cretin at the Everton game springs to mind but you see guys behaving appallingly at football bawling, swearing and threatening all sorts. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 3 minutes ago, Sergeant Wilson said: Can we combine this pish with the Pregnancy & Parenting thread, where you can discuss how best to chastise your dull, ugly weans to your heart's content? Nah, there's some amount of pishy minutiae posted on there. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scary Bear Posted October 22, 2017 Author Share Posted October 22, 2017 Are you threatening to hit Jimmy? And here's one of the pontificating ones.To clarify, no. I can't seem to find the time to hunt down people who've been rude to me on the internet these days. So time consuming. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chomp my root Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 2 minutes ago, Scary Bear said: And here's one of the pontificating ones. To clarify, no. I can't seem to find the time to hunt down people who've been rude to me on the internet these days. So time consuming. Another downside to kids eh ? Taking up your valuable revenge time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Scary Bear said: As mentioned in previous posts, I don't think smacking is the way to go. However, I can see scenarios where parents may do it. Sleep deprivation definitely didn't enhance my parenting skills. I don't doubt it. That's I why I support these changes as one part of a suite of tools to help parents. 16 minutes ago, The Chlamydia Kid said: None of that says anything about the “effect” of the laws. That tells you about associations between support for smacking and the law by jurisdiction. You are assuming that because there is a relationship between 2 variables (the law and attitudes to smacking) that one causes the other. There is absolutely no evidence put forward for that In what you’ve cut and pasted that the change in the law has led to attitudes changing. The attitudes to smacking g could have led to the change in the law or else some other factor could link the 2. Correlation does not equal causation. You really are thick as f**k. The easy read executive summary I posted there clearly isn't the entirety of the body of work. You will have noticed my cut and paste has citations in it which the casual reader would assume would link to the primary studies on the efficacy of legislation in changing attitudes. Even if you didn't grasp that the text itself states that the studies took place across numerous comparator sites so your "correlation =/= causation" statement is bollocks. I admire your confidence though in dismissing an international study of academic work by the WHO, UNICEF etc However, as you are clearly keen to get to the primary sources you can find them starting on p33 here including the Swedish case study referenced some pages ago. Let me know how you get on http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/notes/2016/new-strategies-violence-children/en/ Edited October 22, 2017 by invergowrie arab 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 7 minutes ago, chomp my root said: As has been said earlier, there are a number of situations that can have an impact on kids. I wonder how many of those that are quick to condemn a bit of corporal punishment on a child would happily threaten or commit violence to another adult in front of children. That cretin at the Everton game springs to mind but you see guys behaving appallingly at football bawling, swearing and threatening all sorts. If it helps I think they are as bad and as damaging as each other. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chlamydia Kid Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 You really are thick as f**k. The easy read executive summary I posted there clearly isn't the entirety of the body of work. You will have noticed my cut and paste has citations in it which the casual reader would assume would link to the primary studies on the efficacy of legislation in changing attitudes. Even if you didn't grasp that the text itself states that the studies took place across numerous comparator sites so your "correlation =/= causation" statement is bollocks. I admire your confidence though in dismissing an international study of academic work by the WHO, UNICEF etc However, as you are clearly keen to get to the primary sources you can find them starting on p33 here including the Swedish case study referenced some pages ago. Let me know how you get onhttp://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/notes/2016/new-strategies-violence-children/en/ That the same World Health Organisation that thought it was a good idea to appoint Robert Mugabe as a good will ambassador last week? Sound judgment [emoji106] 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chlamydia Kid Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 If it helps I think they are as bad and as damaging as each other. You think it’s damaging for a child to hear men bawling and shouting at the football? God almighty what a Wee sensitive soul you must be. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 3 minutes ago, The Chlamydia Kid said: That the same World Health Organisation that thought it was a good idea to appoint Robert Mugabe as a good will ambassador last week? Sound judgment That decision was an insult to humanity. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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