Hillonearth Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 There's only one opinion that truly matters in this debate; that of whoever's pregnant - if they want the kid they should go ahead and have it and if they don't, they shouldn't. I imagine everyone who has an abortion makes their own accommodation with doing so, and very few who end up going through with it will do it lightly - my opinion, yours, and that of society in general shouldn't come into it. At least some of the pro-life lobby seem to be a thinly-disguised front for some pretty distasteful religious fundamentalism which by playing the emotive card is taking advantage of the Dunning-Kruger effect and choosing to ignore expert advice which has undoubtedly been honestly given. Experts...what do they know? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The OP Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 3 minutes ago, Hillonearth said: There's only one opinion that truly matters in this debate; that of whoever's pregnant - if they want the kid they should go ahead and have it and if they don't, they shouldn't. I imagine everyone who has an abortion makes their own accommodation with doing so, and very few who end up going through with it will do it lightly - my opinion, yours, and that of society in general shouldn't come into it. At least some of the pro-life lobby seem to be a thinly-disguised front for some pretty distasteful religious fundamentalism which by playing the emotive card is taking advantage of the Dunning-Kruger effect and choosing to ignore expert advice which has undoubtedly been honestly given. Experts...what do they know? But what about the thousands of men whose relationship suddenly breaks down irrevocably at week 23 of a pregnancy but who still desperately want to endlessly fight for custody over a child who has a 20% chance of living into adulthood without a severe disability? Have you even thought about these people at all? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 4 minutes ago, The OP said: But what about the thousands of men whose relationship suddenly breaks down irrevocably at week 23 of a pregnancy but who still desperately want to endlessly fight for custody over a child who has a 20% chance of living into adulthood without a severe disability? Have you even thought about these people at all? If Ruth Davidson decides she doesn't want her baby, does the baby's other mother have any rights? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The OP Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 1 minute ago, Mark Connolly said: If Ruth Davidson decides she doesn't want her baby, does the baby's other mother have any rights? I’m really here to interject flippant comments rather than to dispense accurate advice on the rights of a parent whose partner has decided to have an abortion after going through IVF and announcing their pregnancy on national news. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tree house tam Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 I've got kids, I've had girlfriends who've had abortions. Horses for courses. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 6 minutes ago, tree house tam said: I've got kids, I've had girlfriends who've had abortions. Horses for courses. I've had girlfriends that looked like horses. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 1 hour ago, The OP said: I’m really here to interject flippant comments rather than to dispense accurate advice on the rights of a parent whose partner has decided to have an abortion after going through IVF and announcing their pregnancy on national news. I'm surprised she's going to be the mum, at least she can eat for 2 with a clear conscience for a wee while. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 This is about repealing article 8 of the constitution, it's not about abortion on demand. Repealing article 8 removes the constitutional right of the unborn and opens discussion on abortion under certain circumstances. Admittedly that is probably going to be when mother is in medical danger, when child has no chance of survival or rape victims who are less than 12 weeks pregnant. This is not abortion under any circumstance 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chomp my root Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 20 minutes ago, John Lambies Doos said: This is about repealing article 8 of the constitution, it's not about abortion on demand. Repealing article 8 removes the constitutional right of the unborn and opens discussion on abortion under certain circumstances. Admittedly that is probably going to be when mother is in medical danger, when child has no chance of survival or rape victims who are less than 12 weeks pregnant. This is not abortion under any circumstance I had high hopes that my 'up to the age of 30' would be made law too. I've a hunch my daughter will get married in a couple of years, if I'm lucky she'd still make the cut and I could save a fortune. She doesn't have a will so I would probably inherit her stuff too. Win/win. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tree house tam Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 8 hours ago, Sergeant Wilson said: I've had girlfriends that looked like horses. That's exactly why that phrase was chosen my good man. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banana Posted April 28, 2018 Author Share Posted April 28, 2018 On 4/25/2018 at 22:37, Honest Saints Fan said: Because its not a viable baby until 24 weeks gestation. Why is 'viable outside the womb' the important parameter? Left to its own devices, a baby would continue to grow in the womb. Its growth is a continuous process, there isn't a special step at week x, y, 24 whereby the baby would die without performing that special step. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banana Posted April 28, 2018 Author Share Posted April 28, 2018 On 4/25/2018 at 22:42, Adam101 said: I wonder if we will stop having children the ‘natural’ way and eventually just grow them in labs it would be far safer for mother and child Assuming this could be done with no difference to the babies that come out at the end of the process, should such a baby in a lab have the right to life? Should the mother have the right to abort? Should the father have the same right? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted April 28, 2018 Share Posted April 28, 2018 4 minutes ago, banana said: Assuming this could be done with no difference to the babies that come out at the end of the process, should such a baby in a lab have the right to life? Should the mother have the right to abort? Should the father have the same right? You need to ask Mr Huckabee or Gingrich. They've seriously investigated the moral conundrums in these matters and have come to the conclusion that letting babies die because their parents can't afford medical care is better than letting terminally ill babies die with the least pain possible. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MONKMAN Posted April 28, 2018 Share Posted April 28, 2018 As if people genuinely think a woman should be forced to carry a child, against her will, due to the fathers wishes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted April 28, 2018 Share Posted April 28, 2018 As if people genuinely think a woman should be forced to carry a child, against her will, due to the fathers wishes. And does the unborn child not have any rights? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted April 28, 2018 Share Posted April 28, 2018 2 minutes ago, John Lambies Doos said: And does the unborn child not have any rights? No. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted April 28, 2018 Share Posted April 28, 2018 No. Should they? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted April 28, 2018 Share Posted April 28, 2018 Just now, John Lambies Doos said: Should they? No, how could they? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MONKMAN Posted April 28, 2018 Share Posted April 28, 2018 3 minutes ago, John Lambies Doos said: And does the unborn child not have any rights? No. Next question: Are you one of these mentalists, who thinks a woman should be forced to carry child against her will? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted April 28, 2018 Share Posted April 28, 2018 No, how could they? But that's the point of the Irish referendum because they currently do, I'm asking you whether they should 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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