Guest Jedi Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 Serious question btw..do you believe that if Starmer said tomorrow..'you know what, if we win.the election we will reverse Brexit and take the UK back into the EU in the next 5 years' that Labour would win the GE, or would the Tories claw back a near 25% gap as it currently is? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Blades Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 20 minutes ago, Jedi said: Serious question btw..do you believe that if Starmer said tomorrow..'you know what, if we win.the election we will reverse Brexit and take the UK back into the EU in the next 5 years' that Labour would win the GE, or would the Tories claw back a near 25% gap as it currently is? https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-poll-referendum-rejoin-eu-b2250813.html?amp They wouldn’t win the majority currently predicted & may be forced to deal with another party. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jedi Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 14 minutes ago, Brother Blades said: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-poll-referendum-rejoin-eu-b2250813.html?amp They wouldn’t win the majority currently predicted & may be forced to deal with another party. In which case should they be making it policy for the GE to rejoin the EU or not? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Blades Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 21 minutes ago, Jedi said: In which case should they be making it policy for the GE to rejoin the EU or not? Of course they should, as it’s the correct decision for the good of the country. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamthebam Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 1 hour ago, blackislekillie said: Seriously? Major had in part won the 1992 Election with a advert showing two boxing gloves and the slogan "Labour's double whammy" suggesting Kinnock's policies would lead to higher prices and more taxation. (Taxes actually did go up under the Tories and they arsed up the economy until Fat Ken Clarke improved matters) It had been assumed Major would lose the 1992 election and so Labour under John Smith and then Blair and Brown tended to be a bit "conservative" in regards to economic policies. Starmer saying nothing, being cautious and not announcing policies until near an election is nothing new 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theroadlesstravelled Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 Labour want ‘Take Back Control’, the MAGA version of Brexit to be their centrepiece. A blatant alt right lie that killed the economy and the Tory party is what he wants to build their house upon. Fud. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 I see Starmer is talking about a "partnership" model with the Private Sector to reform the NHS. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 2 hours ago, renton said: I see Starmer is talking about a "partnership" model with the Private Sector to reform the NHS. At this point he has to be a Tory plant. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 3 minutes ago, DA Baracus said: At this point he has to be a Tory plant. No, just a Tory by instinct. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 21 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: No, just a Tory by instinct. Like Tony Fucking Blair.? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunning1874 Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 At least when Blair moved Labour further right he was still presiding over a more left-wing government than every government since the last Labour one. Starmer is in every respect proposing a government to the right of Cameron. Putting Streeting in charge of the NHS is going to make Jeremy Hunt look like Thomas Sankara in comparison. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leith Green Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 32 minutes ago, DA Baracus said: At this point he has to be a Tory plant. 28 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: No, just a Tory by instinct. 4 minutes ago, ICTJohnboy said: Like Tony Fucking Blair.? He is just a politician - Tony Blair might have been a Tory PM had circumstances been different he was deffo one for reading the tea leaves - just like Truss was a Lib Dem in her younger days. Lots of the current breed of politicians will say and do anything thats expedient for their careers. Probably the last party leader who was vaguely true to their core beliefs was Corbyn, and we all see how that ended...................... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 I look at people like Blair and Starmer and wonder why would they join the Labour Party. Don’t say it’s to get power as there are too many invariables between jointing and getting to where the were/are. Of course this applies to so many Labour MPs/MSPs who would recoil at the word ‘Socialism’. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jedi Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 So the SNP discuss private investment/intervention in the NHS as an option=good/to be commended/right decision Starmer mentions private partnership in the NHS as an option=far right/Tory stooge/snake/can't be trusted on anything Do you see any pattern emerging yet? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StellarHibee Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 17 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: I look at people like Blair and Starmer and wonder why would they join the Labour Party. Don’t say it’s to get power as there are too many invariables between jointing and getting to where the were/are. Of course this applies to so many Labour MPs/MSPs who would recoil at the word ‘Socialism’. There probably isn't as many invariables as you think. Many of these people are "prepped" to be PM from a young age. They likely already know who the next 5 to 10 PM's are going to be. 3 minutes ago, Jedi said: So the SNP discuss private investment/intervention in the NHS as an option=good/to be commended/right decision Starmer mentions private partnership in the NHS as an option=far right/Tory stooge/snake/can't be trusted on anything Do you see any pattern emerging yet? Nobody is saying that the SNP discussing private investment/intervention in the NHS is a good thing. But consider this. If such discussions weren't occurring with the English NHS, would these same discussions still be occurring in the Scottish NHS if our budget wasn't directly linked to public spending in the English NHS? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jedi Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 So, the SNP considering private investment/intervention in the NHS...... even that is Westminster's fault.. (rather than a political choice by a party which is naturally right if centre)..help ma boab 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dink Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 I'm maybe missing something but what private investment are the SNP considering for the NHS? The last thing I can see on this is Nicola Sturgeon saying: "She added her pledge for continued support for the service and said: “Let me be unequivocally clear, we will do that within those long established, well accepted and, I think, almost universally supported principles of a public service free at the point of use and need.”" 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Brother Blades Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 27 minutes ago, Dink said: I'm maybe missing something but what private investment are the SNP considering for the NHS? The last thing I can see on this is Nicola Sturgeon saying: "She added her pledge for continued support for the service and said: “Let me be unequivocally clear, we will do that within those long established, well accepted and, I think, almost universally supported principles of a public service free at the point of use and need.”" Yeah, some NHS chiefs (not SG) have discussed it, I also found a fluff piece in the Daily Record from Jackie Baillie asserting the SNP are discussing it, of course all statements from the SNP deny it & there is absolutely no evidence to suggest otherwise. Whereas Sir Keith has discussed it publicly. Another red herring from @Jedi. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leith Green Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 58 minutes ago, Jedi said: So the SNP discuss private investment/intervention in the NHS as an option=good/to be commended/right decision Are you meaning the discussion document leaked from meetings of the regional health boards in November? The one where no member of the SNP government was in the room? The one that precipitated the questioning of Youssaf and Sturgeon, both of whom confirmed that this was not happening? That discussion? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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