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What is the point of Labour ?


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40 minutes ago, btb said:

Very much this, as the Conservative party moves ever rightwards towards US Libertarian policies Starmer's iteration of the Labour Party seems closer to the Conservative "Wets" than old or even New Labour.

Very definitely to the right of New Labour. Probably to the right of David Cameron's opposition, if not quite his government. 

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4 hours ago, TheScarf said:

A completely pointless party led by the biggest Tory in the country.  It baffles my why anyone in Scotland votes for these losers.

Some folk have short memories.  Some folk simply don’t pay attention to politics.  Some folk simply go with the perceived flow.  All in all it’s pretty depressing.  More so given that the people in Scotland have an option in the SNP that those south of the border don’t.

All that said, it’s not too long ago that the membership of the SNP were only a few thousand votes short of electing a right wing bigot as their leader.  Not a great state of affairs.

 

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17 minutes ago, Granny Danger said:

Some folk have short memories.  Some folk simply don’t pay attention to politics.  Some folk simply go with the perceived flow.  All in all it’s pretty depressing.  More so given that the people in Scotland have an option in the SNP that those south of the border don’t.

All that said, it’s not too long ago that the membership of the SNP were only a few thousand votes short of electing a right wing bigot as their leader.  Not a great state of affairs.

 

Well the politics is that the Tories and the SNP have shown themselves to be truly incompetent in power so you might as well give Labour a whirl who don't appear to be pulling themselves apart currently at least

And if you want the SNP to appeal only to dog on a string socialist worker types and brand half your own politicians as right wing loons or fifth columnists be prepared for a long future of 25% share votes.

Vote Lib Dem 🙂

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39 minutes ago, orfc said:

you might as well give Labour a whirl who don't appear to be pulling themselves apart currently at least 

Starmer has been pulling Labour apart for over 3 years. The media has just been very hush hush regarding his purges of the left.

I'm sure the apartheid sympathiser will make a real positive difference to the UK when he worms his way into position...

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Not sure why Labour escapes the charges of incompetence; their collaboration with the Conservative on triggering Article 50 and approving the TCA don't exactly show them in their best light now. Their token opposition to egregious corruption and waste in Westminster is not something to boast about.

I don't regard the SNP as incompetent, they have always seemed to be able to deliver on their policies and promises to the greatest extent and i can name a dozen policies of the top of my head that improved life for citizens of Scotland.

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Vote Lib Dem 🙂

Hah, funny.

The party of negotiable affection.

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2 hours ago, Granny Danger said:

Some folk have short memories.  Some folk simply don’t pay attention to politics.  Some folk simply go with the perceived flow.  All in all it’s pretty depressing.  More so given that the people in Scotland have an option in the SNP that those south of the border don’t.

All that said, it’s not too long ago that the membership of the SNP were only a few thousand votes short of electing a right wing bigot as their leader.  Not a great state of affairs.

 

No they weren't 

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5 hours ago, Zern said:

I wonder why too. Watching Starmer shit on everything that Labour used to represent, in addition to embracing Brexit and British Nationalism is a most repellent combination. They don't have policies for Scotland; they don't have a coherent environmental policy either. Its just empty gestures and tweaking round the edges with no significant change.

Fixed that for you. I think if they have any policies left it's just to ape whatever the latest leader in the Daily Heil says. Just waiting for him to change the name of the party to something along the lines of the "New Conservative Party". He's copying everything else from them anyway.

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5 minutes ago, logie skid boys said:

The thought Scotland going back to a branch office for the Labour party is depressing as f**k... 

But  a  year half   is long time in politics and i can see a Starmer collapse coming big time . He already looks like a man that is ready to explode .

He can't collapse. The media wont allow their neoliberal select to collapse. Otherwise he already would have for a multitude of reasons that the media have already conveniently overlooked over the past 3 years.

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Corbyn was a threat.

Starmer has de-comissioned Corbyn and purged the party of any left-wing elements.

He will be rewarded.

This neo-labour will be like the latter half of Blair/Brown's tenure, with all the corruption and none of the redeeming features.

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42 minutes ago, Zern said:

Corbyn was a threat.

Starmer has de-comissioned Corbyn and purged the party of any left-wing elements.

He will be rewarded.

This neo-labour will be like the latter half of Blair/Brown's tenure, with all the corruption and none of the redeeming features.

Aye your right its all pointing that way..

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On 07/07/2023 at 13:48, Granny Danger said:

Some folk have short memories.  Some folk simply don’t pay attention to politics.  Some folk simply go with the perceived flow.  All in all it’s pretty depressing.  More so given that the people in Scotland have an option in the SNP that those south of the border don’t.

All that said, it’s not too long ago that the membership of the SNP were only a few thousand votes short of electing a right wing bigot as their leader.  Not a great state of affairs.

 

I'm seriously considering Plaid at the next election. 

It's between them and the Greens which might mean no choice if they buddy up again. 

I think this means i need a chunky cardigan with leather elbows. 

The disaffected in England will probably split between whatever (even more than Labtories) batshit mental xenophobes are on the go and the "Lib Dems". 

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Just now, scottsdad said:

This is all very 1997.

This is going to be nothing like 1997. Blair finished off Thatchers job of selling off nearly every remaining public asset. So unless Starmer is on course to flog off the NHS and make us the lapdogs of America's next war in the middle east (most likely Iran), they'll be no blood money flowing into the UK coffers.

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