Richey Edwards Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 I've got a couple of balls you might be interested in. Hardly been used. They're still in the bag they came in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oxf77 Posted September 14, 2018 Author Share Posted September 14, 2018 29 minutes ago, Edmond Dantès said: I've got a couple of balls you might be interested in. Hardly been used. They're still in the bag they came in. It's only the fact you said "hardly been used" that makes me think you're being serious and not winding me up (as you insulted yourself if you did) ha. Assuming you are referring to Mitre Ultimax footballs (and not your balls), could you send a photo to my inbox? Cheers, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Thompson Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 Does a buyer offer an amount which they believe the item is worth?No, generally buyers try and buy things for as little as possible. If the seller is actively selling something, that's fair enough. If, however, you are enticing people to part with things it's a bit of a dick move to try and pretend the value is simply whatever you say it is.What a, buyer offers isn't the same as the valueTo be honest, if you weren't getting shown up on here and roundly ignored everywhere else, I'd have binned this shit already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oxf77 Posted September 14, 2018 Author Share Posted September 14, 2018 33 minutes ago, Mr X said: No, generally buyers try and buy things for as little as possible. If the seller is actively selling something, that's fair enough. If, however, you are enticing people to part with things it's a bit of a dick move to try and pretend the value is simply whatever you say it is. What a, buyer offers isn't the same as the value To be honest, if you weren't getting shown up on here and roundly ignored everywhere else, I'd have binned this shit already. There is hardly a market for this (prove me wrong by finding an existing trade on Google?), therefore the value is whatever buyer and seller agree. And I'll say again, I wasn't on DAFC (I don't even know what club it refers to?). However, I know the person who you're probably referring to. He buys footballs cheap and then sell them on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsimButtHitsASix Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 Pretty sure I got most the match balls from about 92 til McGraw left in ma maw's loft signed by the Morton team at the time (and one extra signed by Alex McDonald who has also written ORRABEST! in block capitals on it) No idea of the condition of them. Or if ma maw's chucked them oot. But if they are there there's at least two of them signed by Dougie Johnstone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P475 Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 15 hours ago, oxf77 said: There is hardly a market for this (prove me wrong by finding an existing trade on Google?), therefore the value is whatever buyer and seller agree. And I'll say again, I wasn't on DAFC (I don't even know what club it refers to?). However, I know the person who you're probably referring to. He buys footballs cheap and then sell them on. So there is someone else buying these balls cheap and selling them on? Clearly there is a market for them? This means there'll be a top dollar going rate for them too? So I'll ask once again what is the top price for each of these balls? You sort of insisted I answered your question on this thread now I'm sort of insisting you answer mine on here and, not send me personal messages requesting an apology. Its also easy to say your not the same guy as the one from DAFC.net but, can you prove it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Thompson Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 17 hours ago, oxf77 said: There is hardly a market for this (prove me wrong by finding an existing trade on Google?), therefore the value is whatever buyer and seller agree. And I'll say again, I wasn't on DAFC (I don't even know what club it refers to?). However, I know the person who you're probably referring to. He buys footballs cheap and then sell them on. No, no it isnt, no matter how many times you try and claim otherwise. As I said, even rare things can be valued. There are sports memorabilia collectors all over the world (as well as comic collectors, move memorabilia etc etc) valuing things every single day, often Id bet for things far rarer than mitre fucking footballs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oxf77 Posted September 15, 2018 Author Share Posted September 15, 2018 7 hours ago, P475 said: Its also easy to say your not the same guy as the one from DAFC.net but, can you prove it? Google my username and you will see all the forums I have joined. I keep the same username as I only have to remember one for all forums. I say there is no market because the other guy pays incredibly low prices (he only buys to sell on, whereas I collect). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oxf77 Posted September 15, 2018 Author Share Posted September 15, 2018 6 hours ago, Mr X said: As I said, even rare things can be valued. There are sports memorabilia collectors all over the world (as well as comic collectors, move memorabilia etc etc) valuing things every single day, often Id bet for things far rarer than mitre fucking footballs. How can a rare item be valued correctly, if the person valuing isn't involved in the transaction (buying or selling)? What's the value of an item on Ebay? It's the final auction price. Who chose that value? The winning buyer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Thompson Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 53 minutes ago, oxf77 said: How can a rare item be valued correctly, if the person valuing isn't involved in the transaction (buying or selling)? What's the value of an item on Ebay? It's the final auction price. Who chose that value? The winning buyer! I dont know how, its not something I've ever done. Theres no doubt, though, that it does happen, every day, all over the world, over a range of items. Again, why you struggle so much with the difference between the market value and the cost of an individual transaction is truly bizarre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oxf77 Posted September 15, 2018 Author Share Posted September 15, 2018 30 minutes ago, Mr X said: I dont know how, its not something I've ever done. Theres no doubt, though, that it does happen, every day, all over the world, over a range of items. Again, why you struggle so much with the difference between the market value and the cost of an individual transaction is truly bizarre. Is the value of an item listed on Ebay determined by the winning buyer? Yes or No? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Thompson Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 6 minutes ago, oxf77 said: Is the value of an item listed on Ebay determined by the winning buyer? Yes or No? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P475 Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 As far as I'm concerned you're out to rip off the unwary. Anyone selling one of these balls should get it independently valued before selling to this guy, if he is a true collector he would pay the full value and in some cases more for these baws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Grimm Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 Why are they worth anything? Well obviously worth something, why are they so collectible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 I saw a match used Mitre from Goodison Park in 1992 on eBay for around 180 quid. Are these the kind of life changing sums we are talking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Thompson Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 As far as I'm concerned you're out to rip off the unwary. Anyone selling one of these balls should get it independently valued before selling to this guy, if he is a true collector he would pay the full value and in some cases more for these baws. Oh to live in a world where such a thing was possible. Unfortunately these, mass produced in the last two decades, items are rarer than a hens tooth necklace round the neck of a leprechaun sitting on his pot of gold in the lost city of Atlantis. The only way to value them is to sell them to any old shyster that comes along and take their word for it... or put them on ebay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oxf77 Posted September 16, 2018 Author Share Posted September 16, 2018 4 hours ago, P475 said: As far as I'm concerned you're out to rip off the unwary. Anyone selling one of these balls should get it independently valued before selling to this guy, if he is a true collector he would pay the full value and in some cases more for these baws. Because I'm not stupid-enough to post offers on a public forum- that's what you're basing your argument on? You sound a little naive to be honest. You sound like you got fleeced years ago and you're now obsessed with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oxf77 Posted September 16, 2018 Author Share Posted September 16, 2018 3 hours ago, Mr X said: 5 hours ago, P475 said: As far as I'm concerned you're out to rip off the unwary. Anyone selling one of these balls should get it independently valued before selling to this guy, if he is a true collector he would pay the full value and in some cases more for these baws. Oh to live in a world where such a thing was possible. Unfortunately these, mass produced in the last two decades, items are rarer than a hens tooth necklace round the neck of a leprechaun sitting on his pot of gold in the lost city of Atlantis. The only way to value them is to sell them to any old shyster that comes along and take their word for it... or put them on ebay. If you're going to be sarcastic you might like to recall year 8 English Language lessons and use hyphens, illiteracy and sarcasm don't mix. Your (poor) sarcasm implies these aren't rare items. Great, so you can show me the items I'm after appearing for sale across the internet over the last 10 years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Thompson Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 If you're going to be sarcastic you might like to recall year 8 English Language lessons and use hyphens, illiteracy and sarcasm don't mix. Your (poor) sarcasm implies these aren't rare items. Great, so you can show me the items I'm after appearing for sale across the internet over the last 10 years?Ooft - resorting to criticising grammar. I think we're done here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoBNob Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 7 hours ago, Brother Grimm said: Why are they worth anything? Well obviously worth something, why are they so collectible? I'd love to know this aswell, what's the point, and who the f**k collects footballs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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