Tory Boy Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 On 12/08/2022 at 23:02, Ludo*1 said: What is the script with the KKK incident in 2006? Was it in reference to something? Really struggling to wrap my head around something so blatantly offensive and racist at a Scottish League One football match. A really stupid joke that went badly wrong. There had been a fancy dress party the night before and some of the folk decided to wear their costumes on the bus down to Gretna the next day. A few folk were dressed as KKK. A couple of them were white and one was coloured. There had been a few photos taken before the game. Including some Asian tourists, a wedding party etc.. The cops were laughing with the coloured lad wearing the costume but told them not to wear the costumes to the game. The Daily Star got a hold of a photo of some other lads wearing the masks on the bus and then made up some story about the folk wearing the costumes at the game to target some coloured lad who was on the bench from Gretna. It was stupid but they didn't do what the Daily Star claimed. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cb_diamond Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 18 minutes ago, Tory Boy said: A really stupid joke that went badly wrong. There had been a fancy dress party the night before and some of the folk decided to wear their costumes on the bus down to Gretna the next day. A few folk were dressed as KKK. A couple of them were white and one was coloured. There had been a few photos taken before the game. Including some Asian tourists, a wedding party etc.. The cops were laughing with the coloured lad wearing the costume but told them not to wear the costumes to the game. The Daily Star got a hold of a photo of some other lads wearing the masks on the bus and then made up some story about the folk wearing the costumes at the game to target some coloured lad who was on the bench from Gretna. It was stupid but they didn't do what the Daily Star claimed. This is a horrendous post on every conceivable level. Wearing KKK garb is never acceptable. It's not funny, it's not a joke, it's not banter. The "coloured guy" (that's not the terminology btw) angle just makes it smack of "I can't be a racist, I know a black guy" mentality. None of this was a misjudgement. "The daily Star got some photos". They were wearing KKK costumes in public. It's pretty newsworthy. It's been a blight on our club for years. There is no justifying it. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamonds_Are_Forever Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 Feel like another centre half is needed quickly watson had an absolute stinker yesterday imo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr November Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 6 minutes ago, Diamonds_Are_Forever said: Feel like another centre half is needed quickly watson had an absolute stinker yesterday imo I think he’s been our weakest player for the last two games to be honest. I like him and think him and Fordyce are fine for this level but as you say, centre back is the main area we need more competition. McCabe is the only other option in there and as we saw when he went off yesterday, we lack anyone else who can come in and play that holding role if he’s not in there, though I suppose McMaster might be able to do that. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamonds_Are_Forever Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 44 minutes ago, Mr November said: I think he’s been our weakest player for the last two games to be honest. I like him and think him and Fordyce are fine for this level but as you say, centre back is the main area we need more competition. McCabe is the only other option in there and as we saw when he went off yesterday, we lack anyone else who can come in and play that holding role if he’s not in there, though I suppose McMaster might be able to do that. I feel a lot more confident with McCabe at the back with Dycey as they both suit each other well there feel Watson is better in a back 5 as he can push himself up the park certain occasions like st mirren in the cup 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redcar Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 (edited) Griffin Sabatini has played the last 2 games for Berwick Rangers as a trialist and looked good, but what do you make of him? I think we'd like to sign him. Edited August 14, 2022 by Redcar 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr November Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 9 minutes ago, Redcar said: Griffin Sabatini has played the last 2 games for Berwick Rangers as a trialist and looked good, but what do you make of him? I think we'd like to sign him. He had a couple of really good games where he looked like a really classy midfielder at this level but was absolutely anonymous the rest of the time. He played fairly regularly in the first half of 20/21 for us, when we were average at best, and then dropped out of the time completely when we signed Kyle Turner and went on a great run. He wasn't terrible, I've seen far worse players and he did have a couple of great games but it's telling that he hasn't been anywhere near a similar level since leaving Airdrie. It's hard to tell what impact he'd make in the Lowland League but I'm sure he'd be fine there. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny_m Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 1 hour ago, Mr November said: I think he’s been our weakest player for the last two games to be honest. I like him and think him and Fordyce are fine for this level but as you say, centre back is the main area we need more competition. McCabe is the only other option in there and as we saw when he went off yesterday, we lack anyone else who can come in and play that holding role if he’s not in there, though I suppose McMaster might be able to do that. Left back as we only have Deveney who i'm still unsure of and no one to cover. Yes Ballantyne can but a genuine leftie/centre back required. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Passionate Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 22 minutes ago, Redcar said: Griffin Sabatini has played the last 2 games for Berwick Rangers as a trialist and looked good, but what do you make of him? I think we'd like to sign him. To me he was a neat and tidy defensive midfielder, had no interest in an attacking sense, no real pace, although he played during the covid season.... Murray didn't fancy him, he was clearly a Stuart Millar sign ing... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The clean living guy Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 5 hours ago, cb_diamond said: This is a horrendous post on every conceivable level. Wearing KKK garb is never acceptable. It's not funny, it's not a joke, it's not banter. The "coloured guy" (that's not the terminology btw) angle just makes it smack of "I can't be a racist, I know a black guy" mentality. None of this was a misjudgement. "The daily Star got some photos". They were wearing KKK costumes in public. It's pretty newsworthy. It's been a blight on our club for years. There is no justifying it. He was telling you the story. Not justifying it. The Daily Star story had it as targeting a Gretna player, which it wasn't. And before you think I trying to justify anything I thought it was horrendous at the time and nothing has changed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Passionate Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 7 hours ago, Kenny_m said: Whilst most fans have supported Rhys on his to signing policy, time is now running out and perhaps he will need to look again at his B list of players. Agree, he appears to be stubborn in what he wants, which is fine if you can deliver, a minimum of 2 sign ings have been mooted by Rhys, he seems to aim high on who he wants, we need competition and cover for positions, we rode our luck yesterday with our lack of bench, Hopefully something happens this week, Any more ITK talk, 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cb_diamond Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 (edited) 17 minutes ago, The clean living guy said: He was telling you the story. Not justifying it. The Daily Star story had it as targeting a Gretna player, which it wasn't. And before you think I trying to justify anything I thought it was horrendous at the time and nothing has changed. He called it a "joke" directly, he pointed out that one of the racists was a "coloured lad", which should be an immaterial detail here, but was stressed twice within the "retelling". He made it clear that the good folks of Gretna thought that people dressing up as a horrendous group of racist murderers and roaming their town was all a tremendous wheeze and not in any way abhorrent behaviour. He then went in on a newspaper who while doubtlessly adding their own sensationalist hyperbole had decided to report on, y'know, a bunch of people dressing as a group of racists for TWO days consecutively and roaming about thinking this was a great laugh. So yeah. Forgive me for not exactly thinking "this seems a neutral, facts based retelling of one of our clubs darkest hours" with this version of the events. Edited August 14, 2022 by cb_diamond 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny_m Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 1 minute ago, cb_diamond said: He called it a "joke" directly, he pointed out that one of the racists was a "coloured lad", which should be an immaterial detail here, but was stressed twice within the "retelling". He made it clear that the good folks of Gretna thought that people dressing up as a horrendous group of racist murderers and roaming their town was all a tremendous wheeze and not in any way abhorrent behaviour. He then went in on a newspaper who while doubtlessly adding their own sensationalist hyperbole had decided to report on, y'know, a bunch of people dressing as a group of racists for TWO days consecutively and roaming about thinking this was a great laugh. So yeah. Forgiven me for not exactly thinking "this seems a neutral, facts based retelling of one of our clubs darkest hours" with this version of the events. If you're going to quote please do it in the correct context as "stupid joke" has a different meaning to "joke" to me 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cb_diamond Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 Just now, Kenny_m said: If you're going to quote please do it in the correct context as "stupid joke" has a different meaning to "joke" to me You read that and THAT was your takeaway. Come on man. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr November Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 32 minutes ago, Kenny_m said: Left back as we only have Deveney who i'm still unsure of and no one to cover. Yes Ballantyne can but a genuine leftie/centre back required. Yeah I agree, one player who can cover both would be ideal but if we only bring in another two then those positions would be my priority. I think a centre back is more important as Scott McGill showed in the first half of last season that a good team can get away with someone filling in there, whereas I’d worry if Fordyce was out for more than a game or two. Ideally we’ll get both in though with perhaps another midfielder too. I suppose it’s worth noting that we have until the end of September for loans, though obviously we will need more options sooner than that. Kerr McInroy only signed on 30th September last season, so it is possible for guys to come in and have a real impact but the chances of anyone as good as him signing seem slim. I think we only have two loan spots left, possibly one if Murray Johnson’s loan is extended beyond the current emergency one, so it’s important we get these last signings right. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny_m Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 3 minutes ago, cb_diamond said: You read that and THAT was your takeaway. Come on man. You knew what you were doing. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The clean living guy Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 13 minutes ago, cb_diamond said: He called it a "joke" directly, he pointed out that one of the racists was a "coloured lad", which should be an immaterial detail here, but was stressed twice within the "retelling". He made it clear that the good folks of Gretna thought that people dressing up as a horrendous group of racist murderers and roaming their town was all a tremendous wheeze and not in any way abhorrent behaviour. He then went in on a newspaper who while doubtlessly adding their own sensationalist hyperbole had decided to report on, y'know, a bunch of people dressing as a group of racists for TWO days consecutively and roaming about thinking this was a great laugh. So yeah. Forgive me for not exactly thinking "this seems a neutral, facts based retelling of one of our clubs darkest hours" with this version of the events. One of the clubs darkest hours? Are you new to supporting Airdrie? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny_m Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 3 minutes ago, Mr November said: Kerr McInroy only signed on 30th September Yes but what could have been if we had him a month earlier. The serious stuff has started. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cb_diamond Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Kenny_m said: You knew what you were doing. Yeah, showing that by calling it a joke (of any variety you like) it's not exactly giving the facts. Whether it's a "joke", "a stupid joke" or any other type, starting the retelling with absolutely the wrong direction. None of this was any type of joke. Edited August 14, 2022 by cb_diamond 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cb_diamond Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 5 minutes ago, The clean living guy said: One of the clubs darkest hours? Are you new to supporting Airdrie? Is this an attempt at a joke or a stupid joke? Just so we're clear? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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