pandarilla Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 The mask is slipping. You're obviously a right-wing shill. When I see an explanation of why both Operation Cygnus and it’s findings where treated with contempt I’ll maybe be willing to listen to the politicians with a bit more conviction. Yeah the “we all have to take responsibility for our own lives” is the mantra of the right-wing zealot. It ignores the reality that some/many people don’t/wont act responsibly and that such actions will impact upon others. In such situations we need policies that direct and, as far is as possible, enforce people’s actions.The fact that you think gordonef is being right wrong is insane. He's one of the most rational and reasoned posters on the site - and has been spot on in this thread.Far too many people are misjudging the very real consequences of sustained lockdown. Folk think they're being 'left wing' and right wing but i genuinely think that's an absurd accusation when dealing with a crisis like this.The social and economic consequences will be very, very real.I was listening to folk explain the impact on dementia sufferers, and it was horribly cruel. Add that to the effects on people with incurable conditions and folk not being able to see loved ones in care homes and you've got some severe situations.Just keeping lockdown until we have a treatment or vaccine is not an option. We need to sort out the testing and isolating obviously, but we also need to find a way to manage the risks that will continue to exist. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 12 minutes ago, ICTChris said: I’ve posted this before but I work for a satellite broadcasting company and one of my ex colleagues is a flat earther. You could literally go and look at the satellites orbiting the Earth on some monitors but this made no difference. Aye but who controls the monitors 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, pandarilla said: The fact that you think gordonef is being right wrong is insane. He's one of the most rational and reasoned posters on the site - and has been spot on in this thread. Far too many people are misjudging the very real consequences of sustained lockdown. Folk think they're being 'left wing' and right wing but i genuinely think that's an absurd accusation when dealing with a crisis like this. The social and economic consequences will be very, very real. I was listening to folk explain the impact on dementia sufferers, and it was horribly cruel. Add that to the effects on people with incurable conditions and folk not being able to see loved ones in care homes and you've got some severe situations. Just keeping lockdown until we have a treatment or vaccine is not an option. We need to sort out the testing and isolating obviously, but we also need to find a way to manage the risks that will continue to exist. That’s a strange response to my posts as I never posted anything that contradicts any of that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 Aye but who controls the monitors5G 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted May 17, 2020 Author Share Posted May 17, 2020 5G I’m willing to bet a billion squillion quid that he believes this. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thistle_do_nicely Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, MixuFixit said: Headlines like this make me think the government could announce lockdown is lifted tomorrow and a lot of folk would still stay at home. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/17/hospital-patients-england-coronavirus-covid-19 when i heard about the pausing of cancer services on reflex I thought it sounded awful, but I suppose that might help explain as to why they took that tough decision on balance; at a guess certain/most types of cancer would pretty much make contracting Covid fatal Edited May 17, 2020 by Thistle_do_nicely 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 That’s a strange response to my posts as I never posted anything that contradicts any of that. You called him out for being right wing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 Headlines like this make me think the government could announce lockdown is lifted tomorrow and a lot of folk would still stay at home.https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/17/hospital-patients-england-coronavirus-covid-19People will always have that choice, and that's right and proper. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwullie Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 27 minutes ago, pandarilla said: The fact that you think gordonef is being right wrong is insane. He's one of the most rational and reasoned posters on the site - and has been spot on in this thread. Far too many people are misjudging the very real consequences of sustained lockdown. Folk think they're being 'left wing' and right wing but i genuinely think that's an absurd accusation when dealing with a crisis like this. The social and economic consequences will be very, very real. I was listening to folk explain the impact on dementia sufferers, and it was horribly cruel. Add that to the effects on people with incurable conditions and folk not being able to see loved ones in care homes and you've got some severe situations. Just keeping lockdown until we have a treatment or vaccine is not an option. We need to sort out the testing and isolating obviously, but we also need to find a way to manage the risks that will continue to exist. This is a total false argument though. Absolutely noone wants that. Just opening up with no material difference to when we went in is completely pointless though. Why would the virus behave any differently? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, pandarilla said: 25 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: That’s a strange response to my posts as I never posted anything that contradicts any of that. You called him out for being right wing. It was a right-wing position he was promoting so I think it was a fair call. That doesn’t explain why you included the paragraph that I boldened. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theroadlesstravelled Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 Hong Kong with 7 million people on an island smaller than Skye is fully open yet here we are shiteing it over someone walking too close in Asda. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 20 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: It was a right-wing position he was promoting so I think it was a fair call. That doesn’t explain why you included the paragraph that I boldened. It absolutely wasn't and I explained why, which you didn't respond to. Makes it look like you see anyone who disagrees with you as right wing. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 25 minutes ago, madwullie said: This is a total false argument though. Absolutely noone wants that. Just opening up with no material difference to when we went in is completely pointless though. Why would the virus behave any differently? Surely you'd have to concede you're just as guilty of creating you're own false argument there? I've not seen one person here suggest that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_Wilkos Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 People who choose to watch Judge Judy over Judge Rinder deserve to die of Covid-19 IMO.. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beefybake Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 25 minutes ago, Theroadlesstravelled said: Hong Kong with 7 million people on an island smaller than Skye is fully open yet here we are shiteing it over someone walking too close in Asda. I don't think Hong Kong had something like heading for 40,000 deaths. Without Googling it, IIRC it was about 7...., rather less than Skye. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 I’m willing to bet a billion squillion quid that he believes this.What that i believe it? Lol aye. 5g melts steel beams. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 14 minutes ago, Gordon EF said: It absolutely wasn't and I explained why, which you didn't respond to. Makes it look like you see anyone who disagrees with you as right wing. There’s many folk I disagree with on here who I wouldn’t class as right wing or call them such. On the more substantive point you suggested that we need to take more “collective responsibility” independent of government which, maybe sadly, is quite frankly nonsense. Not of us is in a position to direct people outwith our own family circle, even then that’s not always possible, or maybe as employers over employees. Beyond that collective responsibility in this situation is a fallacy. Mind you I can see Johnson using the phrase in a TV address as he tries to squirm out of the responsibility of giving direction in this crisis. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bendan Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 1 hour ago, pandarilla said: The fact that you think gordonef is being right wrong is insane. He's one of the most rational and reasoned posters on the site - and has been spot on in this thread. Far too many people are misjudging the very real consequences of sustained lockdown. Folk think they're being 'left wing' and right wing but i genuinely think that's an absurd accusation when dealing with a crisis like this. The social and economic consequences will be very, very real. I was listening to folk explain the impact on dementia sufferers, and it was horribly cruel. Add that to the effects on people with incurable conditions and folk not being able to see loved ones in care homes and you've got some severe situations. Just keeping lockdown until we have a treatment or vaccine is not an option. We need to sort out the testing and isolating obviously, but we also need to find a way to manage the risks that will continue to exist. I'm pretty gobsmacked by how many people see any notion of loosening the lockdown as right wing. Twitter is much worse than here for that though. The people who are going to suffer most from the economic consequences of this are the poor and those in insecure employment. A lot of middle class liberals can easily work from home while wailing about the deaths, but they won't face the worst of the coming storm. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 25 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: There’s many folk I disagree with on here who I wouldn’t class as right wing or call them such. On the more substantive point you suggested that we need to take more “collective responsibility” independent of government which, maybe sadly, is quite frankly nonsense. Not of us is in a position to direct people outwith our own family circle, even then that’s not always possible, or maybe as employers over employees. Beyond that collective responsibility in this situation is a fallacy. Mind you I can see Johnson using the phrase in a TV address as he tries to squirm out of the responsibility of giving direction in this crisis. In what kind of situations is it not a fallacy? I'm clearly not talking about the ludicrous situation of the head of a household dishing out opinions to family members. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullerene Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, beefybake said: I don't think Hong Kong had something like heading for 40,000 deaths. Without Googling it, IIRC it was about 7...., rather less than Skye. I did google it. It is 4. There was an article in the Guardian yesterday by Laurel Chor about flying from Heathrow to Hong Kong and it was one of the few flights that day. Edited May 17, 2020 by Fullerene 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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