engelbert_humperdink Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 1 minute ago, Honest Saints Fan said: This is on cancer research website. Thats pretty sickening 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
engelbert_humperdink Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 12 minutes ago, MixuFixit said: Typical post of someone who hasn't had their 5k green dot gold sovereign delivered. Busted, need to dig out the dodgy puns and questionable looking nurses 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted May 19, 2020 Author Share Posted May 19, 2020 MEANWHILE IN NEW YORK https://twitter.com/smencimer/status/1262839942734061573?s=20 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullerene Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 39 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: Have a read of this - an interesting piece on hindsight bias and coronavirus by Alexander McCall-Smith - who is a British-Zimbabwean writer and Emeritus Professor of Medical Law at the University of Edinburgh. FYI He also wrote several books starting with "The No 1 Lady Detective's Agency" set in Botswana that the BBC turned into a mini series about 11 years ago. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 12 minutes ago, engelbert_humperdink said: Thats pretty sickening You think cancer patients would get better treatment if the covid wards were overflowing? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
engelbert_humperdink Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 6 minutes ago, welshbairn said: You think cancer patients would get better treatment if the covid wards were overflowing? It was more to do with cancer research money going towards corona, which is sickening 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
engelbert_humperdink Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 7 minutes ago, welshbairn said: You think cancer patients would get better treatment if the covid wards were overflowing? Where are the covid wards overflowing, these temp hospitals built could be used instead of being stood down 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s_dog Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 (edited) 35 minutes ago, engelbert_humperdink said: It wasnt poor planning the government overreacted to the covid threat and the NHS being overloaded which hasn't happened but has led to the deaths of thousands in care homes who were papped off to care homes untested, imo that is a crime that should see court. There are going to be the exceptions with healthy people succumbing to covid but miniscule numbers on the grand scheme of things. It doesn't help that any death with covid present seems to be the root cause of death even if they were in pallative care with days left and the covid not even being the driving force behind their death. I'm not saying what is best for now imo the lockdown should have been sharp and focused on the vulnerable not the healthy. People acting on here like I'm some monster that wants to see carnage. A quarter of uk deaths are in care homes ICU cases dropping, deaths dropping. The lockdown was half arsed with cheltenham going ahead many more will have been infected than not. Hope those asymptomatic are high in number They looked at what was happening in Italy with their hospitals struggling to cope and at times doctors having to make decisions about who to ventilate and who to just let die, and they looked at their own modelling that predicted as many as half a million people could die. So to say they overreacted is highly questionable. The poor planning is they didn't follow-up their pandemic response plans properly, and so in late January/early February when it was becoming apparent to people in healthcare circles that this was going to be a threat, they didn't act quickly enough and when they did act their response was limited by lack of capacity. And you completely ignore the idea that without a lockdown, the more vulnerable people in our society would be still be much more at risk because you can't completely isolate them, the more vulnerable they are, the more interaction they require with others, and so there needs to be some sort of managing the infection in the rest of the population. Forgot to add, the numbers of deaths may be fairly minimal in younger, healthy people, but the number of people who have been hospitalised is not. That's the point, and if the hospitals had really struggled to cope with a surge, more of them may have died. Edited May 19, 2020 by s_dog 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, engelbert_humperdink said: Where are the covid wards overflowing, these temp hospitals built could be used instead of being stood down So the lockdown worked? yay! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
engelbert_humperdink Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 1 minute ago, s_dog said: They looked at what was happening in Italy with their hospitals struggling to cope and at times doctors having to make decisions about who to ventilate and who to just let die, and they looked at their own modelling that predicted as many as half a million people could die. So to say they overreacted is highly questionable. The poor planning is they didn't follow-up their pandemic response plans properly, and so in late January/early February when it was becoming apparent to people in healthcare circles that this was going to be a threat, they didn't act quickly enough and when they did act their response was limited by lack of capacity. And you completely ignore the idea that without a lockdown, the more vulnerable people in our society would be still be much more at risk because you can't completely isolate them without some sort of managing the infection in the rest of the population. Yes you can, test them and if they need hospital treatment then in they go. The infection could be controlled if everyone deemed not vulnerable wasn't in lockdown as hospital cases would be overrun as only a small minority would need hospital treatment 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
engelbert_humperdink Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 3 minutes ago, welshbairn said: So the lockdown worked? yay! No because the most severely vulnerable were not protected, like talking to a brick wall with you, its easy for hospitals to not get overrrun when you are leaving people to die in care homes 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 Name one.Pandarilla... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 Hindsight bollox, this is a f**k up on a monumental scale that could have been prevented. A highly infectious virus that takes little encouragement to jump from person to person, moving people from an infected environment into an environment where there are extremely vulnerable people and no one actually thought this could possibly happen, really? Its a pretty straight forward f**k up of judgement on someones part and there will be investigations into this and a number of other failings that have lead to preventable deaths. Every death was a person, a real person and each one will have to be looked into and this could take years for families to find closure. Looks like some of us have become so detached from the realities going on in the real world. Did you actually read it? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, engelbert_humperdink said: No because the most severely vulnerable were not protected, like talking to a brick wall with you, its easy for hospitals to not get overrrun when you are leaving people to die in care homes And the hospitals have been kept emptier of late thanks to people being so terrified by government's non-stop OMG NEW DEADLY VIRUS message that they're dying of treatable heart attacks, strokes, sepsis etc. in the house instead of calling for an ambulance. A true public health triumph. Edited May 19, 2020 by vikingTON 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 A knighthood for walking round your garden will defo help deflect some attention for a few days at least Jolly good 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
engelbert_humperdink Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, MixuFixit said: Never a clearer demonstration that for big charities it's often as much about being in the public consciousness as solving whatever problem they're set up to address. Which is totally wrong, covid19 is getting enough donations and money from the government and rightly so. But thats a conflict of interests for a charity to do that and is pretty shady to the people who regularly donate or donate when they can 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theroadlesstravelled Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 35,000 people have died. The lockdown has been a shambles. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
engelbert_humperdink Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 Just now, Theroadlesstravelled said: 35,000 people have died. The lockdown has been a shambles. Atleast 11,000 of those in care homes. Basically do not resuscitate hubs 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmic Joe Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 10 minutes ago, Theroadlesstravelled said: 35,000 people have died. The lockdown has been a shambles. Behave yourself... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 Here we go! More stupid. UK bulk buys hydroxychloroquine as potential Covid-19 treatment Drug taken by Trump being acquired in case it proves effective against coronavirus https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/19/uk-to-test-hydroxychloroqine-as-coronavirus-treatment Trump told a White House press conference: “I’m taking it for about a week and a half now and I’m still here, I’m still here.” The World Health Organization has said it is concerned by reports of individuals self-medicating and causing themselves serious harm.This I will agree with you. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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