Todd_is_God Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 Just now, Dons_1988 said: I would be astonished if you weren't allowed to meet other households in a hospitality setting over the course of the Summer. Nothing would astonish me anymore tbh. Especially up here. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 1 minute ago, Todd_is_God said: Nothing would astonish me anymore tbh. Especially up here. We're speculating of course, so no point in debating endlessly. I suppose we'll see. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwullie Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 43 minutes ago, Aladdin said: Mutations will happen in a virus. From the minute amount of virology I did at uni, I seem to recall if you put pressure on it, though vaccination or lockdown, but still having circulate at a substantive level you run the risk of adaptive mutations. If it is allowed free rein through a population, you see random mutations. Zero covid is the only way to avoid that but, as has been pointed out, given the levels of the virus we have here and on our door step, that's pretty much unachievable right now. Happy for anyone with any knowledge to let me know im talking out my arse. Tbh you sound like you've more actual knowledge than 99% of folk on this thread, but that doesn't stop them stating wild, uneducated theories as fact, so id just batter on in were I you 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 Israel was pumping out positive data within 4-6 weeks of starting their vaccination program. We are 9 weeks in and the UK is still saying another 2 weeks, the line that been peddled for at least 3 weeks now. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 10 minutes ago, Bairnardo said: The new drinking establishment is taking hold already. Its sub machines in folks houses. Where the govt will fonding it harder to reach in and destroy it for everyone, and earn little in VAT. They want to be careful what they wish for. Interesting point. I have a PD and a Sub. You can get things like the Blade now, and i've seen more and more people building pub sheds with actual draught systems in them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 4 minutes ago, Dons_1988 said: We're speculating of course, so no point in debating endlessly. I suppose we'll see. Agreed 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwullie Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 2 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said: Israel was pumping out positive data within 4-6 weeks of starting their vaccination program. We are 9 weeks in and the UK is still saying another 2 weeks, the line that been peddled for at least 3 weeks now. That is strange, especially considering our first big block was pure Pfizer so it's not like the different vaccine would cause issues. Not been keeping a eye on care home deaths down south - last I saw they were horribly high - I presume they calmed down a bit? If so, is that not evidence? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 2 minutes ago, Dons_1988 said: Yes, the 'industry' will likely adapt, but that could mean changing beyond recognition. It will also mean in the short term a huge number of businesses going bust and lives ruined in the process. It will mean some going bust and ruining the lives of some associated with those venues, that doesn't mean the sector will be fucked, it will just be different and some others will happily take up some of the slack. We've been adapting in a shipshod manner due to the shite messages our overlords have dished out, that won't be the case going forward in the medium to longterm. There's certainly a fair chance of it being a different experience from 2019 but that difference offers big opportunities for entrepreneurs to come up with solutions to allow hospitality to get the best bang for their buck. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 I doubt (m)any of our senior MPs / MSPs have a scientific background, meaning they are just regurgitating what their scientific advisors are telling them. In that sense, the desire to have constant news updates, coupled with having the hot new story to break is the main culprit here. We've essentially got journalists who aren't qualified to talk about viruses asking questions to NS etc, who aren't qualified to answer those questions, every day, and producing the news. It's not particularly helpful.Not to mention that scientists themselves can disagree or can produce findings that are inconclusive - journalists then (as is their want) go for the bad news story. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 Just now, Todd_is_God said: Interesting point. I have a PD and a Sub. You can get things like the Blade now, and i've seen more and more people building pub sheds with actual draught systems in them. Yep. Thats the way it will go. The thing that actually adapts, is people. People will adapt, ensure they can socialise and move on. Thats what will lay waste to an entire industry and jobs. It cant be allowed to happen, and I'd say it probably wont be allowed to in the ling run, but like others said, nothing would surprise me now 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elric Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 8 hours ago, NorthernLights said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-56078511 More loopholes in the Scottish Government hotel quarantine plan. Who would have thought it? What morons are actually coming up with these regulations and I presume they are putting no real thought into it. That should have been one of the first issues they looked at. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 That is strange, especially considering our first big block was pure Pfizer so it's not like the different vaccine would cause issues. Not been keeping a eye on care home deaths down south - last I saw they were horribly high - I presume they calmed down a bit? If so, is that not evidence? Newsnight reported last night that 35% of care home staff in England are unvaccinated still. There was no real attempt to prioritise them and refusal rates were high linked to low pay meaning a high % of employees from BAME backgrounds. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 It will mean some going bust and ruining the lives of some associated with those venues, that doesn't mean the sector will be fucked, it will just be different and some others will happily take up some of the slack. We've been adapting in a shipshod manner due to the shite messages our overlords have dished out, that won't be the case going forward in the medium to longterm. There's certainly a fair chance of it being a different experience from 2019 but that difference offers big opportunities for entrepreneurs to come up with solutions to allow hospitality to get the best bang for their buck. So the "new normal" right enough then. It's certainly starting to feel that way no matter how unpalatable that may be to some. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 7 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said: Israel was pumping out positive data within 4-6 weeks of starting their vaccination program. We are 9 weeks in and the UK is still saying another 2 weeks, the line that been peddled for at least 3 weeks now. It's only really in the last 2 weeks that we in Scotland in particular have really gotten going at a decent pace, so the few weeks line is probably fair here. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 3 minutes ago, ayrmad said: It will mean some going bust and ruining the lives of some associated with those venues, that doesn't mean the sector will be fucked, it will just be different and some others will happily take up some of the slack. We've been adapting in a shipshod manner due to the shite messages our overlords have dished out, that won't be the case going forward in the medium to longterm. There's certainly a fair chance of it being a different experience from 2019 but that difference offers big opportunities for entrepreneurs to come up with solutions to allow hospitality to get the best bang for their buck. I mean, that's basically what I said. I'm not denying it will adapt. The question is, is that the route we want our economy to go down and is the number of businesses/lives ruined in the process worth it? Economies and industries will always adapt to government policy, with the business that don't fit into it going in the bin. Government policy needs to reflect the way you want things to go though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 I'd rather listen to what's happening in this country than be worried about this continuous comparisons with other countries. As far as I'm concerned we are firing on with the vaccination program and that's what counts. You don't live in Israel so how do you know there aren't rumblings of discontent from some quarters in that country?That's exactly the point I'm making. We haven't published the sort of statistical effect information others (eg Israel) have been able to do which seems odd to me especially now that Whitty an VTam have stood next to BJ since end January saying "another 2 weeks" constantly. Your 100% right that Israel data isn't that important to us now we are beyond the point where they were able to pump out regular positive updates. We need our own interim data . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said: 11 minutes ago, ayrmad said: It will mean some going bust and ruining the lives of some associated with those venues, that doesn't mean the sector will be fucked, it will just be different and some others will happily take up some of the slack. We've been adapting in a shipshod manner due to the shite messages our overlords have dished out, that won't be the case going forward in the medium to longterm. There's certainly a fair chance of it being a different experience from 2019 but that difference offers big opportunities for entrepreneurs to come up with solutions to allow hospitality to get the best bang for their buck. So the "new normal" right enough then. It's certainly starting to feel that way no matter how unpalatable that may be to some. Yes but we don't at this point know how similar/dissimilar the new normal will be to our previous normal. Edited February 16, 2021 by ayrmad -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 It's only really in the last 2 weeks that we in Scotland in particular have really gotten going at a decent pace, so the few weeks line is probably fair here.This sort of data will come from the UKG I assume. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said: 6 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: It's only really in the last 2 weeks that we in Scotland in particular have really gotten going at a decent pace, so the few weeks line is probably fair here. This sort of data will come from the UKG I assume. It is available from the SG though. In an easier to read format on the likes of travelling tabby. Edited February 16, 2021 by Todd_is_God 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 2 minutes ago, Bairnardo said: Yep. Thats the way it will go. The thing that actually adapts, is people. People will adapt, ensure they can socialise and move on. Thats what will lay waste to an entire industry and jobs. It cant be allowed to happen, and I'd say it probably wont be allowed to in the ling run, but like others said, nothing would surprise me now Pubs and various other hospitality providers will adapt as well. Twenty years ago folk were complaining that the smoking ban would finish the pub trade when all that really happened was that a few shiteholes closed their doors and pubs/restaurants became places you could go without leaving smelling like you'd been standing a bit close to a bonfire for 3 hours. This is purely anecdotal of course but the only pub I know of round here that's not planning on re-opening is a total shitpit whose owner has been trying to get his son to take it over for years so he can retire to Blackpool. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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