Elixir Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 (edited) Given the rates we saw in Scotland last summer, combined with greater immunity in the population and the quite incredible vaccines, there should be even less excuses for restrictions north of the border come June or July. Edited February 22, 2021 by Elixir 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 4 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: That's just round the corner from The National Football Museum, I've been to it twice and been disappointed they don't have anything to commemorate that night. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 1 minute ago, Elixir said: Given the rates we saw in Scotland last summer, combined with greater immunity in the population and the quite incredible vaccines, there should he even less excuses for restrictions north of the border come June or July. Good point. It's one thing to talk about when we can vaccinate everyone in the top 9 JCVI groups, but it shouldn't be forgotten that there will be considerable levels of immunity via infection among the remaining groups. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PWL Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 16 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: Don't think Adrian Hasler has been mentioned in this thread tbh Hey. I can do graphs too. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/uk-covid-death-rate-coronavirus-b1788817.html 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, PWL said: Hey. I can do graphs too. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/uk-covid-death-rate-coronavirus-b1788817.html Sorry, you've cherry picked one specific cause of death over a very short period of time from one month ago. Please try again. Edited February 22, 2021 by Todd_is_God 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PWL Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 Just now, Todd_is_God said: Sorry, you've cherry picked one specific cause of death. Please try again. Yes. Cos it's a Covid thread....... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 1 minute ago, Todd_is_God said: Sorry, you've cherry picked one specific cause of death COVID-19. 1 minute ago, Todd_is_God said: over a very short period of time. The standard unit of time used to identify trends throughout the pandemic. 1 minute ago, Todd_is_God said: Please try again. Gutterball. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 Just now, PWL said: Yes. Cos it's a Covid thread....... Total mortality is the only metric which is constant amongst all countries. Please use constants, thanks. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, PWL said: Hey. I can do graphs too. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/uk-covid-death-rate-coronavirus-b1788817.html While I don’t disagree we’ve been dreadful this is simplistic. Are all these countries measuring death by Covid in the same way? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bob Mahelp Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 9 minutes ago, Elixir said: Given the rates we saw in Scotland last summer, combined with greater immunity in the population and the quite incredible vaccines, there should be even less excuses for restrictions north of the border come June or July. That's true, but we're looking at a completely different mindset from the SG compared to 12 months ago. I'm happy to accept their 'data led' approach, but only if that works both ways.....that it's not only negative data that influences policy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven W Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 1 hour ago, Billy Jean King said: 2 hours ago, Steven W said: After that by Johson, tomorrow is shaping up to be Sturgeon's biggest day as FM. Seriously ??? Yes. Johnson has went big and bold, but with necessary and sensible caveats. Sturgeon has a track record of being very careful and cautious. Tomorrow is an opportunity for her to lift the mood of the nation. The vaccines are going to be a big success, so she should act accordingly with the road map. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 (edited) A cascade of tears and snotters from the Sridhars, Harvies etc. of the world now that their weirdo, zero Covid fantasy land is being drop kicked into the bin. Spoiler Edited February 22, 2021 by vikingTON 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PWL Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 5 minutes ago, Left Back said: While I don’t disagree we’ve been dreadful this is simplistic. Are all these countries measuring death by Covid in the same way? As per link - stats complied by Oxford Uni. If we take excess deaths as gospel then we have to accept that no one died of Covid in Norway last year as their excess deaths actually fell. Clearly a combination of the two will provide the correct answer. But has been the case throughout - it's easy to produce a graph to defend just about any position with regards to Covid. Except to prove that it was over as a crisis last autumn. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 As per link - stats complied by Oxford Uni. If we take excess deaths as gospel then we have to accept that no one died of Covid in Norway last year as their excess deaths actually fell. Clearly a combination of the two will provide the correct answer. But has been the case throughout - it's easy to produce a graph to defend just about any position with regards to Covid. Except to prove that it was over as a crisis last autumn.I shared some time ago a link (can't find it now) showing how differently excess deaths can be calculated. As a measure within a country, assuming the way it is measured is not radically altered, it can be used to make comparisons. Between countries is more problematic as you may not be comparing like with like.Then you have the whole issue of which deaths are attributable to Covid-19.I'm sure Todd could give you a critique of that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bob Mahelp Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 7 minutes ago, virginton said: A cascade of tears and snotters from the Sridhars, Harvies etc. of the world now that their weirdo, zero Covid fantasy land is being drop kicked into the bin. Reveal hidden contents Sridhar is in The Guardian agreeing (with reservations) about Johnson's roadmap. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/feb/22/england-covid-roadmap-lockdown-experts-view 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Ad Lib said: The standard unit of time used to identify trends throughout the pandemic. Ah yes. Differently counted covid deaths between 11th Jan - 17th Jan 2021 is definitely the focus... It's quite a shock you didn't get elected with such zingers in your arsenal. Edited February 22, 2021 by Todd_is_God 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Parr Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 (edited) 49 minutes ago, PWL said: The confidence on this thread placed in Johnson, statistically the worst leader in the western world in terms of deaths, is quite something. You mistake confidence for utter desperation. A year of separation from loved ones will do that to you. If the leader up here could be anything more than hopelessly negative then folk might be less inclined to look towards the fat buffoon for some hope. Edited February 22, 2021 by George Parr 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A.F.C Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 Interesting to see what NS comes out with tomorrow considering what was done today. Probably just present the same data differently, maybe switch a couple of dates around by a week or so. Wow, what a genius. So glad we have her as our leader, we’re definitely better than England even though we did everything the same and made the same mistakes we did it better. I can’t see her coming up with anything different or original and it better not be some over cautious nonsense. Maybe tiered system? -3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 9 minutes ago, PWL said: As per link - stats complied by Oxford Uni. If we take excess deaths as gospel then we have to accept that no one died of Covid in Norway last year as their excess deaths actually fell. Clearly a combination of the two will provide the correct answer. But has been the case throughout - it's easy to produce a graph to defend just about any position with regards to Covid. Except to prove that it was over as a crisis last autumn. So in the absence of a yes I have to assume you agree it’s a no then. Oxford may have compiled the stats but each individual country measures this in different ways. You can show anything you want with individual statistics. It doesn’t necessarily mean you’re arriving at a fact. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnieman Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 Devi and Leitch will be spewing today, their heads will be in their hands at this press conference. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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