Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[Honest_Man#1]

6 minutes ago, scottsdad said:

Alright gang - opinions please. My folks have asked if my two kids (aged 15 and 10) would like to go and spend the night with them this week. Pre-covid they stayed with them once a week. They stayed once last summer, but that's been it.

Mum has hat both jabs, dad has had one and their opinion is certainly in the "f**k it" category. They want to have a fun night with the grandkids. 

I'm inclined to just let them go. Can anyone here tell me why not (aside form the fact it's currently not legal)?

No reason not to let them go, I’d crack on. 

[superbigal]

23 hours ago, superbigal said:

 

Daily Cases Update:  Another decent day as we have total cases down 4% to 2000, cases 36.6 per 100K and positivity down again to 1.8%   However the English dip below 30 so will surely close the Borders to the Rona ravaged Scots ?

Clackmannanshire still the UKs most dangerous Council while Inverness Clachnacuddin's vicinity is Scotland's most dangerous neighbourhood.  Let's here it for the Clachs.  Couple of new additions to the Smoking room. Welcome P&K and East Lothian.  I am going to change qualification criteria "a la Scotgov" to 25 tomorrow.

Let's also take our hats of to the good old Swedes  who now have Europe's most ravaged country rising quickly to 428 cases per 100K.  

Scotland peaked at 301.9 for figures 29th Dec to 4th Jan, (UK was 642.1)    Cases that day were 16,496 and test positivity rate was 11.9%  

Total Cases 7 days from 3rd April to 9th April  were  2086 now 2000 down 4.12%. Positivity was 1.9% down to 1.8%.   Cases per 100k were 38.2 now 36.6

Home Nations Daily update:  UK Average   30.7 to 29.9 down 2.61%, England 30.1 to 29.3 down 2.66%,  Wales  19.3 to 18.3 down 5.18%, Northern Ireland 30.7 to 29.7 down 3.25% 

European (Above 2 Million Population) : Sweden 357 to 428, Poland  391 to 355,  Serbia 414 to 352,  France 293 to 352, Hungary 422 to 350,

Council progress in last 24 Hours as follows.

Click cases by neighbourhood to see the spread on the geographical map. 
https://public.tableau.com/profile/phs.covid.19#!/vizhome/COVID-19DailyDashboard_15960160643010/Overview

UK's worst covid hole club

Clackmannanshire  131.9 to 102.8  Down over 22% but still the UK number 1 for at least 1 more day.

Under 100 Club could do better club

North Lanarkshire  64.2 to 64.2   

West Lothian 69.9 to 61.2  Down 12.44% great day

Glasgow City  65.5 to 60.8  Decent day over 7% drop 

Renfrewshire  62.0 to 60.3

Falkirk 50.3 to 53.5  Still on the rise again !!!  

Stirling   51.0 to 48.8

Fife  47.4 to 48.5

Moray 38.6 to 43.8 

Dundee City  43.5 to 42.9

South Lanarkshire 38.1 to 39.6    

East Ayrshire   41.0 to 39.3 

Under Scottish Average club 36.6

East Renfrewshire  35.6 to 35.6  

East Dunbartonshire  35.0 to 34.1

Aberdeen City 29.7 to 30.2 

Havana & Malt Whisky club Sub 30.0

West Dunbartonshire  24.7 to 29.2  Clinging on in the smokey room.

 East Lothian  39.2 to 27.1 Brilliant 30% drop and can light up again. 

Perth & Kinross 31.6 to 23.7 Excellent 25% drop   

City Of Edinburgh 22.7 to 22.5

Aberdeenshire  19.5 to 20.3

South Ayrshire  16.0 to 18.6   

North Ayrshire  20.0 to 17.1 

Inverclyde   9.0 to 14.1

Angus  17.2 to 13.8  Down over 65% in 3 days. Smokies back into Smoky territory. 

Highlands  13.1 to 12.3  75% of all cases in Inverness Merkinch,  Most dangerous place in Scotland.

Midlothian   16.2 to 10.8  Simply outstanding down 33.33%

Argyll & Bute  8.2 to 5.8

Scottish  Borders  4.3 to 3.5

Dumfries & Galloway 1.3 to 2.0  

Shetland Islands  0.0 to 0.0

 Western Isles   0.0 to 0.0

Orkney Island  0.0 to 0.0  

[Turkmenbashi]

7 minutes ago, scottsdad said:

Alright gang - opinions please. My folks have asked if my two kids (aged 15 and 10) would like to go and spend the night with them this week. Pre-covid they stayed with them once a week. They stayed once last summer, but that's been it.

Mum has hat both jabs, dad has had one and their opinion is certainly in the "f**k it" category. They want to have a fun night with the grandkids. 

I'm inclined to just let them go. Can anyone here tell me why not (aside form the fact it's currently not legal)?

Let them go. You will regret if you don't do it.

[Rugster]

1 minute ago, Turkmenbashi said:

Let them go. You will regret if you don't do it.

Sounds like a threat to me Mods!

[ayrmad]

11 minutes ago, scottsdad said:

Alright gang - opinions please. My folks have asked if my two kids (aged 15 and 10) would like to go and spend the night with them this week. Pre-covid they stayed with them once a week. They stayed once last summer, but that's been it.

Mum has hat both jabs, dad has had one and their opinion is certainly in the "f**k it" category. They want to have a fun night with the grandkids. 

I'm inclined to just let them go. Can anyone here tell me why not (aside form the fact it's currently not legal)?

I've told all my kids that they can visit with the grandkids whenever they want,when Nicola & Boris show me proper figures to show I shouldn't then I'll reconsider. 

Edited April 12, 2021 by ayrmad

[scottsdad]

Thanks everyone. I will just let them go. 

[vikingTON]

2 hours ago, Left Back said:

Of course everyone lives in the same town as all their relatives.  Define far away.  An hours drive?  Two?  It's still an utterly stupid definition of being a carer despite your odd attempts to justify it.

You were the one who claimed that every adult in the country could cite unpaid carer status. They quite clearly can't going by the actual definition of visiting relatives rather than the one you furiously concocted in your own head.

That's really not my fault champ. 

 

[Distant Doonhamer]

Thanks everyone. I will just let them go. 

Don’t do it. We just don’t know.......
In the real world let them go.

[Left Back]

Just now, virginton said:

You were the one who claimed that every adult in the country could cite unpaid carer status. They quite clearly can't going by the actual definition of visiting relatives rather than the one you furiously concocted in your own head.

That's really not my fault champ. 

 

Really?  Practically every adult in the country can't find a definition to be a carer under the published guidelines?  These two are particularly vague.

emotional support
visiting a relative who lives far away once a month

Phoning someone to ask how they're getting on is giving emotional support no?

You're having a bit of a nightmare here if you think that can't be stretched.

[realmadrid]

24 minutes ago, scottsdad said:

Alright gang - opinions please. My folks have asked if my two kids (aged 15 and 10) would like to go and spend the night with them this week. Pre-covid they stayed with them once a week. They stayed once last summer, but that's been it.

Mum has hat both jabs, dad has had one and their opinion is certainly in the "f**k it" category. They want to have a fun night with the grandkids. 

I'm inclined to just let them go. Can anyone here tell me why not (aside form the fact it's currently not legal)?

Go for it, they (both grandparents and Children) have missed too much time.

[vikingTON]

1 minute ago, Left Back said:

Really?  Practically every adult in the country can't find a definition to be a carer under the published guidelines?  These two are particularly vague.

emotional support
visiting a relative who lives far away once a month

Phoning someone to ask how they're getting on is giving emotional support no?

You're having a bit of a nightmare here if you think that can't be stretched.

Phoning someone is not the same as visiting someone, so would not qualify as unpaid care. The only person having an utter, calamitous disaster here is yourself then. 

[Left Back]

1 minute ago, virginton said:

Phoning someone is not the same as visiting someone, so would not qualify as unpaid care. The only person having an utter, calamitous disaster here is yourself then. 

it says nothing about how you give emotional support.  doesn't mention you have to be physically with them so why don't you have another go?

[vikingTON]

We're still absolutely no further along in establishing why it is the business of people who are not clinically vulnerable whether people who they do not actually know are getting vaccinated as unpaid carers btw.

[vikingTON]

5 minutes ago, Left Back said:

it says nothing about how you give emotional support.  doesn't mention you have to be physically with them so why don't you have another go?

It quite clearly cites 'visiting a relative who lives far away once a month' as its example of emotional support. And the vaccination page also prompts user to select between face to face care or not so you're wrong once again. Your claim that everyone who swans over to a relative's or picks up the phone can be classed as an unpaid carer and get a vaccine is therefore complete and utter nonsense. 

Try reading the relevant guidance again for the sake of comprehension, rather than to stoke your bizarre sense of injustice. 

Edited April 12, 2021 by vikingTON

[Marshmallo]

32 minutes ago, scottsdad said:

Alright gang - opinions please. My folks have asked if my two kids (aged 15 and 10) would like to go and spend the night with them this week. Pre-covid they stayed with them once a week. They stayed once last summer, but that's been it.

Mum has hat both jabs, dad has had one and their opinion is certainly in the "f**k it" category. They want to have a fun night with the grandkids. 

I'm inclined to just let them go. Can anyone here tell me why not (aside form the fact it's currently not legal)?

You can justify it as "childcare" too

[WhiteRoseKillie]

36 minutes ago, scottsdad said:

Alright gang - opinions please. My folks have asked if my two kids (aged 15 and 10) would like to go and spend the night with them this week. Pre-covid they stayed with them once a week. They stayed once last summer, but that's been it.

Mum has hat both jabs, dad has had one and their opinion is certainly in the "f**k it" category. They want to have a fun night with the grandkids. 

I'm inclined to just let them go. Can anyone here tell me why not (aside form the fact it's currently not legal)?

A case could be made that you shoud refrain because part of parenting is to set an example to one's kids. If the 15yo is particularly bright, they might be able to weigh up the pros and cons and agree that there;s no reason not to go ahead. The younger kid will simply see that his parents only obey the rules when it suits them.

Obviously, I don't know you or your family irl, so there is plenty of scope for nuance here. Basically, I'd discuss it with the other half (I'm asuming there is one?) and do what feels right. Personally, I'd go ahead, but as someone else said, don't make a fuss about it. Watch out - the chances of Lee Wallace being around are low, but never zero.

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

31 minutes ago, scottsdad said:

Thanks everyone. I will just let them go. 

Childcare, 15 year old can be providing support for your mother (remember you saying your old man is in his late 70’s with medical conditions?) also caring is also about psychological wellbeing of vulnerable people and whatever arseholes say, thats quite clearly going to be improved by your kids seeing your dad. 

[ICTChris]

Outside scottsdad's parents house at the weekend, after I've grassed them up

[Left Back]

1 minute ago, virginton said:

It quite clearly cites 'visiting a relative who lives far away once a month' as its example of emotional support. And the vaccination page also prompts user to select between face to face care or not so you're wrong once again. 

Try reading the relevant guidance again for the sake of comprehension, rather than to stoke your bizarre sense of injustice. 

I'm not talking about getting vaccinations. I'm discussing the vague criteria of being a carer.  The clue is in the link I posted which is the criteria for being a carer.  It mentions nothing about vaccinations.

Also it doesn't state what you claimed at all.  It cites it as an example of potential emotional support (as well as the other things listed).  The word "could" leaves it sufficiently vague and open to interpretation.

My wife phones her elderly father pretty much every day since my mother in law died recently.  Are you trying to claim she isn't giving him emotional support (and she's been vaccinated in case anyone thinks I'm angling for carer status)?

[NotThePars]

17 minutes ago, Left Back said:

I'm not talking about getting vaccinations. I'm discussing the vague criteria of being a carer.  The clue is in the link I posted which is the criteria for being a carer.  It mentions nothing about vaccinations.

Also it doesn't state what you claimed at all.  It cites it as an example of potential emotional support (as well as the other things listed).  The word "could" leaves it sufficiently vague and open to interpretation.

My wife phones her elderly father pretty much every day since my mother in law died recently.  Are you trying to claim she isn't giving him emotional support (and she's been vaccinated in case anyone thinks I'm angling for carer status)?

Do you think the guidelines are too vague and should be reformed?

Edited April 12, 2021 by NotThePars