Left Back Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 11 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said: They have fridges in Africa and access to hypodermic needles and syringes. Pfizer and Moderna would have been problematic but Sinovac and Sputnik should be OK. They don’t have the healthcare system or other infrastructure to administer vaccines even if they have enough fridges and needles (doubtful). -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, Left Back said: They don’t have the healthcare system or other infrastructure to administer vaccines even if they have enough fridges and needles (doubtful). Aye they do. Do you think folk in Africa are living in mud huts? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 They don’t have the healthcare system or other infrastructure to administer vaccines even if they have enough fridges and needles (doubtful).f**k sake 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Detournement said: Aye they do. Do you think folk in Africa are living in mud huts? 7 minutes ago, pandarilla said: 11 minutes ago, Left Back said: They don’t have the healthcare system or other infrastructure to administer vaccines even if they have enough fridges and needles (doubtful). f**k sake https://www.gsb.stanford.edu/insights/taking-challenges-health-care-africa nothing has really changed since that was written Edited January 30, 2021 by Left Back 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 3 minutes ago, Left Back said: They don’t have the healthcare system or other infrastructure to administer vaccines even if they have enough fridges and needles (doubtful). ...but mysteriously still seem to cope with Ebola outbreaks. Have you ever actually been to Africa? Your comment might be applicable to somewhere war torn like South Sudan or Somalia but is completely bizarre in the context of somewhere like Botswana or Kenya. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 4 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said: ...but mysteriously still seem to cope with Ebola outbreaks. Have you ever actually been to Africa? Your comment might be applicable to somewhere war torn like South Sudan or Somalia but is completely bizarre in the context of somewhere like Botswana or Kenya. Many times. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 Oh aye, Botswana could just get the formula off the AZ website and would be pumping out millions of doses in weeks. Meanwhile AZ can't even get their plant in Italy to work properly despite their experience and massive government funding. Cuba have been ahead of the game on pharma for 50 years, because they didn't have a choice. -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnieman Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 https://www.bbc.com/sport/amp/football/55871217?__twitter_impression=trueLeitch with more dourness, but again I note his reference to travel restrictions just casually thrown in. Are they softening us up for a total travel ban in 2021? Have they gone full Aus/NZ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, Burnieman said: https://www.bbc.com/sport/amp/football/55871217?__twitter_impression=true Leitch with more dourness, but again I note his reference to travel restrictions just casually thrown in. Are they softening us up for a total travel ban in 2021? Have they gone full Aus/NZ? Travel restrictions all year to get to be allowed to 'test' a few hundred fans in stadiums again in September sounds amazing... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Oh aye, Botswana could just get the formula off the AZ website and would be pumping out millions of doses in weeks. Meanwhile AZ can't even get their plant in Italy to work properly despite their experience and massive government funding. Cuba have been ahead of the game on pharma for 50 years, because they didn't have a choice. They also had assistance. They were in the Russian good lads club during the cold war. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Aldo Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 "We'll have to see if we've managed to not import the virus again."What does that even mean? If the majority are vaccinated what difference does it make? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 Just now, Ron Aldo said: "We'll have to see if we've managed to not import the virus again." What does that even mean? If the majority are vaccinated what difference does it make? None. But "the vaccine might not work on a future variant" is the new "everyone is at risk" patter. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, Ron Aldo said: "We'll have to see if we've managed to not import the virus again." What does that even mean? If the majority are vaccinated what difference does it make? The not yet seen vaccine busting new strain. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnieman Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 Travel restrictions all year to get to be allowed to 'test' a few hundred fans in stadiums again in September sounds amazing...Come August, there should be no reason why we can't both travel and watch football in reasonable numbers of course. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elixir Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 48 minutes ago, Bob Mahelp said: Malaria hasn't yet been eradicated worldwide. In fact, millions die each year from it. And in truth, no rich and developed country really gives a f**k, sadly. If people....from rich, developed countries...travel to a malaria infected area, you get vaccinated beforehand. I fail to see why covid should be treated differently. I've been pondering this since the outset. It sounds great in an ideal world and within the heads of certain public health weirdos and their myopic worldview, but the reality is very different. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 39 minutes ago, Left Back said: They don’t have the healthcare system or other infrastructure to administer vaccines even if they have enough fridges and needles (doubtful). How did they completely wipe smallpox off the map then, and have done almost entirely the same for polio? Vaccines are a much, much easier intervention for the developing world to adopt than an endless bill for drugs controlled by Big Pharma. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elixir Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 (edited) Leitch is such a fucking bellend. In America etc their scientists are largely talking up the prospect of being back to normal by the fall, yet here it is just dour, depressing 'let's wait and see because something bad might happen' rhetoric. Travelling within Europe this summer would make next to no fucking difference to the course of the pandemic with vaccines being rolled out and clear seasonal impacts on transmission. Edited January 30, 2021 by Elixir 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 Clown shoes can absolutely go take a f**k to himself. There absolutely must be grounds for a legal challenge if they keep this pretence up and its clear the vaccines are effective, there has to be? This is total fearmongering pish. 14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 (edited) 16 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Cuba have been ahead of the game on pharma for 50 years, because they didn't have a choice. Plenty of countries don't have a choice and yet have tinpot healthcare and pharmaceutical skills. Haiti's not exactly shitting out medical interventions for some strange reason. While the Cubans have been literally cigaring this one by flying emergency medics to Lombardy, one of the richest regions on the globe. Edited January 30, 2021 by vikingTON 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Left Back said: They also had assistance. They were in the Russian good lads club during the cold war. The Cold War ended thirty years ago and the Cubans were giving more medical assistance to the developed world during it than most of the capitalist West put together. They're just a great bunch of lads. Edited January 30, 2021 by vikingTON 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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