madwullie Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 24 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said: Meanwhile hospitalisation rates are dropping like a stone in the UK due to vaccination despite having one of these variants being prevalent, and South Africa is easing restrictions after cases dropped rapidly there despite having one of the new variants prevalent and having very little vaccination completed: Viruses mutate. That's pretty much a given. There is nothing so far that suggests the trajectory we are on will be derailed by that. Bear in mind that the UK, South Africa and Brazil have been used frequently in vaccine trials, so the vaccines currently in use are already known to be effective against these variants where severe symptoms are concerned. The drops in efficacy that have been reported have related primarily to mild or asymptomatic cases. Yeah that's what I said in my post. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A.F.C Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 Sorry for going off on one, just can't face another lockdown caused by stupidity. -4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 25 minutes ago, ICTChris said: A year ago today the first confirmed case of Covid 19 was diagnosed in Scotland. This means it's 18 months today since yer auntie on Facebook had a bad flu-like illness that the doctors just couldn't diagnose. 15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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accies1874 Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 This means it's 18 months today since yer auntie on Facebook had a bad flu-like illness that the doctors just couldn't diagnose."Was anyone else really ill last winter? [emoji848]" posts were, without exception, 0/10 content. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 27 minutes ago, Marshmallo said: You don't have that multiplier effect without the mixing on Christmas Day though. What was the multiplier between the two weeks? Supermarkets were heaving and barbers were staying open late to fit everyone in. I'd say that would be at least as big an issue as family gatherings. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshmallo Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 Just now, Detournement said: What was the multiplier between the two weeks? Supermarkets were heaving and barbers were staying open late to fit everyone in. I'd say that would be at least as big an issue as family gatherings. Barbers with masks/PPE as much of an issue as multi generational households of people from all over the country mixing indoors for a full day? You've had a few this morning? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwullie Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 Anyone know if other countries are upping their sequencing programs, and are we still essentially the world leaders? Do we sequence samples from elsewhere or just UK tests? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwullie Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 7 minutes ago, ICTChris said: She is an absolute fucking nutcase. Among the (if not THE) most unhinged of all the grifters and limelight whores that have surfaced in the past 12 months. And so many moonhowling simpletons lap up every single word 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwullie Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 34 minutes ago, Elixir said: What's this nonsense? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 This variant thing will be never ending until they either close borders or have a vaccine that works against all future strains. Closing borders makes sense but yet again the uk is penny wise pound foolish. Personally I think holidays are a no go outside the UK this year unless something changes. Seems like a variant can develop anywhere which could change things at short notice. A lockdown because someone wants to get pissed in the sun. f**k right off Congratulations on making your most stupid post yet - and that takes some doing.Closing borders is almost impossible because you still need people to move goods in and out of country - the only reason Australia and New Zealand have done is because they don't have access to the vaccine in large numbers. As for the supervaccine? [emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787] 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwullie Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 1 minute ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: Congratulations on making your most stupid post yet - and that takes some doing. Closing borders is almost impossible because you still need people to move goods in and out of country - the only reason Australia and New Zealand have done is because they don't have access to the vaccine. As for the supervaccine? Is this true? I thought NZ already had the Pfizer vaccine https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/12/new-zealand-covid-vaccines-to-arrive-one-month-early-border-staff-to-be-inoculated-next-week https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/feb/16/australias-covid-vaccine-rollout-how-will-it-happen-and-when-can-you-get-it And the border closing stuff was more to do with their zero covid policies? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 48 minutes ago, D.A.F.C said: This variant thing will be never ending until they either close borders or have a vaccine that works against all future strains. Closing borders makes sense but yet again the uk is penny wise pound foolish. Personally I think holidays are a no go outside the UK this year unless something changes. Seems like a variant can develop anywhere which could change things at short notice. A lockdown because someone wants to get pissed in the sun. f**k right off The UK doesn't even produce enough food. About half our food comes from other countries. I asked the question a few pages back about which countries are entirely self-sufficient. Russia was the only one IIRC. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 Is this true? I thought NZ already had the Pfizer vaccine https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/12/new-zealand-covid-vaccines-to-arrive-one-month-early-border-staff-to-be-inoculated-next-week https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/feb/16/australias-covid-vaccine-rollout-how-will-it-happen-and-when-can-you-get-it And the border closing stuff was more to do with their zero covid policies? I meant when they first closed borders and the continuation of that while they roll out their vaccine programme. New Zealand only just received their first batch of Pfizer so are behind the curve compared to other countries fur vaccinations. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/12/new-zealand-covid-vaccines-to-arrive-one-month-early-border-staff-to-be-inoculated-next-weekAs of Friday, Australia had only administered 23,000 vaccines. https://amp.abc.net.au/article/13193794Even they will lift borders eventually when they realise that zero-Covid is no more than the leprechaun's pot of gold - completely unobtainable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 52 minutes ago, D.A.F.C said: This variant thing will be never ending until they either close borders or have a vaccine that works against all future strains. Closing borders makes sense but yet again the uk is penny wise pound foolish. Personally I think holidays are a no go outside the UK this year unless something changes. Seems like a variant can develop anywhere which could change things at short notice. A lockdown because someone wants to get pissed in the sun. f**k right off Virus will mutate borders open or not. Closing borders won’t work, there would be nothing that allows for a short to medium terms return to normality in anything you propose. If a more infectious vaccine resistant strain emerges in the UK and is linked back to an event permitted by the relaxation of lockdown then your ‘pissed in the sun’ argument looks kinda daft. All variants are currently dealt with by the vaccines to prevent severe disease/hospitalisation in a vast majority of cases. This is very positive. No one ive seen or heard is proposing any ‘holidays in the sun’ until everyone is vaccinated, thats reasonable. But beyond that, are we all just to stay home because you’re a wee bit scared? Really? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super_carson Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 7 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: Even they will lift borders eventually when they realise that zero-Covid is no more than the leprechaun's pot of gold - completely unobtainable. To be fair to NZ, they are held up as the shinning example of "zero-covid" but Ardern did say the plan is to keep the border closed until they have vaccinated their population. After that, the intention is to manage it like they do with flu and monitor for any large-scale outbreaks. There seems to be some revisionism from those advocating zero-covid recently; "Oh, we say zero-covid but it's not actually zero". Almost as if there doesn't seem to be a huge amount of support for the policy so they are adapting their stance to save face. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 Seeing as there's a reasonable chance holidays abroad could be a pain this summer that's us started sorting out things to do in the UK. Already had tickets to an open air gig booked for July and we've now bought some T20 tickets for the end of June. If things settle down we might look to go abroad in the Autumn. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, super_carson said: To be fair to NZ, they are held up as the shinning example of "zero-covid" but Ardern did say the plan is to keep the border closed until they have vaccinated their population. After that, the intention is to manage it like they do with flu and monitor for any large-scale outbreaks. There seems to be some revisionism from those advocating zero-covid recently; "Oh, we say zero-covid but it's not actually zero". Almost as if there doesn't seem to be a huge amount of support for the policy so they are adapting their stance to save face. To be fair though, zero covid was a poorly named strategy because it never actually was about achieving zero. People take it literally (rightly IMO) and it creates this divide that isn't actually there. The messaging and phrasing from many experts and politicians throughout this has caused about half the problems IMO. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forest_Fifer Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 How does she average 12k tweets a year for 10 years? Fucking hell, the intellectual dishonesty behind her "understanding" of mRNA vaccines is quite staggering. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super_carson Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 3 minutes ago, The Moonster said: To be fair though, zero covid was a poorly named strategy because it never actually was about achieving zero. People take it literally (rightly IMO) and it creates this divide that isn't actually there. The messaging and phrasing from many experts and politicians throughout this has caused about half the problems IMO. Yeah, it's been very poorly communicated. Words like suppression, elimination, eradication etc. have all been banded around by various advisers without really clarifying what it means. In early summer last year, they talked about eradication quite a fair bit and it was heavily implied that meant having no cases at all. That's since been proven to be near impossible, so they understanding of what zero-covid actually entails has, seemingly, changed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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