ayrmad Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 1 hour ago, Todd_is_God said: Why? If fans at football matches is safe, why do they need to wait for other things to open? There is absolutely no logic or reasoning in saying (for example) "you can't go to the cinema, so you can't go to the football" Whether or not you are desperate for something is also, frankly, irrelevant. Because it's not at the front of the queue, it'll not matter what order it's opened up, there will be someone moaning about not getting a haircut, nails done, pint outside, concerts, cinema blah blah blah. -8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Distant Doonhamer Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 (edited) 51 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: I popped this in to a chart to give a rough idea where we will be at if the average rate of decrease over the last month continues forward. I was slightly surprised to be honest to see hospital and ICU numbers were falling at almost exactly the same rate, as this is never really spoken about due to the absolute numbers being relatively small. As things stand, we will not be able to take part in adult contact sports, legally socialise indoors, or consume alcohol inside a hospitality establishment on the 16th of May, a date which we are on track to have 30 people in hospital, and 3 in ICU. I find that unacceptable, tbh, and a relaxation that must be moved forward regardless of the election. It will be interesting to see what capacity is put on Hampden for the Euros in a week or two (and the justification for it not being a significant number (if not 100%)) after taking into consideration expected vaccination programme progress by the 14th of June, and being on track to have less than 10 people in hospital by kick-off. Good graph and some very good points. Totally agree with what you are saying in this but I've little doubt that those in power of a cautious nature will argue that as we "lessen restrictions" the rate of decreases will/might fall despite it being the case that the key player in the path of decline recently has been vaccination which will of course continue to be delivered. Edited March 31, 2021 by Distant Doonhamer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwullie Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, The Moonster said: Can I ask why? Swollen lymph nodes are common in people who are fighting illness. Given vaccines are designed to trigger that response in your body, is this not a relatively normal side effect? Bit of a shiter you've had pain for weeks but surely that will ease off. If you've had checks to ensure it's nothing else causing this then I wouldn't be concerned and I'm not sure avoiding the vaccine is a better solution here. Basically because I'm in fucking agony and if it hasn't gone by the time my next dose ticks round I'm not sure I'll have the appetite for it. If it has gone, I'm not sure I'll fancy the prospect of going through it again. It's probably all talk no trousers as I'm a shielder and imagine my wife (nhs worker) will nip my head about it so much I'll end up doing it, but genuine second thoughts atm. Edit: the point is more reluctance about getting my weans jagged Edited March 31, 2021 by madwullie 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 Just now, madwullie said: Basically because I'm in fucking agony and if it hasn't gone by the time my next dose ticks round I'm not sure I'll have the appetite for it. If it has gone, I'm not sure I'll fancy the prospect of going through it again. It's probably all talk no trousers as I'm a shielder and imagine my wife (nhs worker) will nip my head about it so much I'll end up doing it, but genuine second thoughts atm. Maybe the next dose won't affect you as badly given your body has already reacted to the vaccine. Swollen lymph nodes for 6 weeks is better than dying so I would definitely be on your wife's side here and nipping you to go for it! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djchapsticks Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 2 minutes ago, ayrmad said: Because it's not at the front of the queue, it'll not matter what order it's opened up, there will be someone moaning about not getting a haircut, nails done, pint outside, concerts, cinema blah blah blah. Why should there be a queue for things that are safe though? Why would a football ground need to wait a turn alongside a restaurant or pub? Half the time I get the feeling you want some places to stay closed just because folk on here are pining to get it open and you want an excuse to call them crybabies. 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 3 minutes ago, ayrmad said: Because it's not at the front of the queue, it'll not matter what order it's opened up, there will be someone moaning about not getting a haircut, nails done, pint outside, concerts, cinema blah blah blah. There is no queue, though. It's a a binary situation. Things that are safe should be allowed, things that require a higher level of population vaccination to be considered safe need to wait. Haircuts are available from Monday. Nails, and pints outside the 26th. Cinemas, Bingo Halls, Arcades etc from the 17th of May. Given the number of indoor activities that are a matter of weeks away from being considered safe, then there is simply no justification for continuing to bar small scale outdoor activities. They are safe. Get them allowed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 1 minute ago, djchapsticks said: Half the time I get the feeling you want some places to stay closed just because folk on here are pining to get it open and you want an excuse to call them crybabies. More likely he knows voluntary avoidance of the things he actually enjoys because of safety fears would destroy his illusions and knock him off his "having a good lockdown" high horse. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forever_blueco Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 22 minutes ago, ayrmad said: Whatever cropped up and occasionally just because you could. Aye but what cropped up at 10 and younger . “It’s my baw and am going home” 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 7 minutes ago, djchapsticks said: Why should there be a queue for things that are safe though? Why would a football ground need to wait a turn alongside a restaurant or pub? Half the time I get the feeling you want some places to stay closed just because folk on here are pining to get it open and you want an excuse to call them crybabies. Maybe I've just developed more patience, it's like if some want to moan about it we should all moan about it else we don't want things to open up as much. This has been going on in here for almost a full year now, folk can read the data the same as me, folk hear the politicians say they've got a routemap and roughly what order things will open the same as me, it's like going a lengthy car journey with your kids. -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 7 minutes ago, djchapsticks said: Half the time I get the feeling you want some places to stay closed just because folk on here are pining to get it open and you want an excuse to call them crybabies. This is it, precisely. He's already admitted he takes joy in the suffering of others. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 Restrictions will be 'lifted' when it's viable to roll out the Digital ID passport. Cases and hospitalisations have nothing to do with it now. The Boris/Merkel/Macron press conference yesterday confirmed the WEF Great Reset plan is happening. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/30/global-treaty-needed-to-protect-states-from-pandemics-say-world-leaders -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honest_Man#1 Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 11 minutes ago, The Moonster said: This is it, precisely. He's already admitted he takes joy in the suffering of others. I don’t know why anyone engages with him in good faith anymore. He’s made it blatantly clear numerous times in the past that he’s a complete weapon and this latest episode is no different. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Fitlike Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 I spent ages thinking it was something to do with her that used to be on Soccer AM.Helen Chamberlain and Tim Lovejoy begat Helen Lovejoy?. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 10 minutes ago, Detournement said: Restrictions will be 'lifted' when it's viable to roll out the Digital ID passport. Cases and hospitalisations have nothing to do with it now. The Boris/Merkel/Macron press conference yesterday confirmed the WEF Great Reset plan is happening. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/30/global-treaty-needed-to-protect-states-from-pandemics-say-world-leaders Unless you have linked to the wrong article, absolutely nothing you've claimed there is even mentioned in the article? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnieman Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 What can you say...... https://news.sky.com/story/tougher-rules-for-face-masks-and-social-distancing-needed-as-lockdown-lifts-scientists-say-12261423?dcmp=snt-sf-twitter 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Burnieman said: What can you say...... https://news.sky.com/story/tougher-rules-for-face-masks-and-social-distancing-needed-as-lockdown-lifts-scientists-say-12261423?dcmp=snt-sf-twitter This sentence alone should be enough to file everything else in the bin Dr Suprunenko said: "More effective use of control measures like... hand washing would help us to stop the pandemic faster" You can almost taste the desperation to cling onto the limelight from people who know once it's gone they will never get anywhere near it again. Edited March 31, 2021 by Todd_is_God 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: Unless you have linked to the wrong article, absolutely nothing you've claimed there is even mentioned in the article? The 'co-operation' they are talking about is likely to be an international digital ID database and economic measures to kick-start economies which will favour corporations/hedge funds over states. I hope I'm wrong about all of this but I don't see how it's possible to open back up normally and then implement ID restrictions later if the ID plan Tony Blair is pushing is going to happen. Edited March 31, 2021 by Detournement -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Detournement said: The 'co-operation' they are talking about is likely to be an international digital ID database and economic measures to kick-start economies which will favour corporations/hedge funds over states. I hope I'm wrong about all of this but I don't see how it's possible to open back up normally and then implement ID restrictions late if the ID plan Tony Blair is pushing is going to happen. It's quite a stretch to say international sharing of health data equals that. A clear case of you having already decided what the outcome is, and using and extrapolating a tenuous link to confirm this belief. Much more likely it will be a treaty to allow health data to be shared and vaccines to be distributed evenly in a pandemic to avoid some of the nonsense we have seen over the last few months happening again. Are you right? I've no idea. But this shows nothing. Cross border sharing of health data isn't necessarily a bad thing either btw - if you end up in hospital in England, they are unable to access your NHS Scotland records, which slows down the treatment process. Edited March 31, 2021 by Todd_is_God 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forest_Fifer Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 Restrictions will be 'lifted' when it's viable to roll out the Digital ID passport. Cases and hospitalisations have nothing to do with it now. The Boris/Merkel/Macron press conference yesterday confirmed the WEF Great Reset plan is happening. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/30/global-treaty-needed-to-protect-states-from-pandemics-say-world-leadersYou'll of course be able to specify where any of your nonsense was said in that report.Roaster. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 52 minutes ago, Henderson to deliver ..... said: First they punt a dug up into space and now this. No doubt the plucky wee British effort will be along much later to take ill-deserved credit. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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