Billy Jean King Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 That makes absolutely zero sense considering a negative LFT means there’s a strong chance you don’t have the virus whereas you can still catch and transmit it even once vaccinated. It’s almost like this policy has nothing to do with preventing transmission…I think The SG themselves are strongly hinting at that. It's quite simply a very thinly veiled vaccination take up mechanism. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 45 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said: Having to provide proof of a negative test to gain access to venues would require pretty much the same technology as proof of vaccination. Don't get that you would be happy with one and not the other. FWIW proof your negative would have a better impact protection wise albeit far from foolproof. He wouldn't be happy if he won the lottery jackpot. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aladdin Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 1 hour ago, Empty It said: Imagine banning people from partaking in society if they don't want to take a vaccine against a virus that even if they caught would most probably not effect them. If it was about suppressing the virus a negative test would be enough but it's about taking away peoples right of choice. Whilst I am not in favour of vaccine passports, I struggle to grasp the justification behind people not getting the vaccine. Unless you have a medical reason, why wouldn't you get it? You might be a young healthy person who wouldn't be particularly affected but, even against the delta variant, the vaccine reduces the risk of passing it on to others. I'm more for carrot approaches rather than sticks but I just don't get the excusal of people not getting vaccinated. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 12 hours ago, welshbairn said: Beginning to see why you almost always post gifs of smirking football managers, without them there's just emptiness. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 Whilst I am not in favour of vaccine passports, I struggle to grasp the justification behind people not getting the vaccine. Unless you have a medical reason, why wouldn't you get it? You might be a young healthy person who wouldn't be particularly affected but, even against the delta variant, the vaccine reduces the risk of passing it on to others. I'm more for carrot approaches rather than sticks but I just don't get the excusal of people not getting vaccinated.FWIW I've been vaccinated and definitely not anti vax but my good lady is a scientist who done testing on the AstraZenica vaccine and more that half the people in her department are refusing to take it because how little it's been checked, the data was QCd with nothing to compare it to and they were told to just tick it off. There are many reasons why people could choose not to take a vaccine including medical conditions the scottish government don't see worthy enough of exemptions. Everybody should be entitled to the choice without being pressured. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aladdin Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 26 minutes ago, Empty It said: 38 minutes ago, Aladdin said: Whilst I am not in favour of vaccine passports, I struggle to grasp the justification behind people not getting the vaccine. Unless you have a medical reason, why wouldn't you get it? You might be a young healthy person who wouldn't be particularly affected but, even against the delta variant, the vaccine reduces the risk of passing it on to others. I'm more for carrot approaches rather than sticks but I just don't get the excusal of people not getting vaccinated. FWIW I've been vaccinated and definitely not anti vax but my good lady is a scientist who done testing on the AstraZenica vaccine and more that half the people in her department are refusing to take it because how little it's been checked, the data was QCd with nothing to compare it to and they were told to just tick it off. There are many reasons why people could choose not to take a vaccine including medical conditions the scottish government don't see worthy enough of exemptions. Everybody should be entitled to the choice without being pressured. But surely there is enough real world data know to allay such concerns, assuming they were legitimate in the first place? Apart from medical conditions, what other valid reasons are there for not being vaccinated? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UsedToGoToCentralPark Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 But surely there is enough real world data know to allay such concerns, assuming they were legitimate in the first place? Apart from medical conditions, what other valid reasons are there for not being vaccinated?Not wanting to get it is a perfectly valid reason 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 But surely there is enough real world data know to allay such concerns, assuming they were legitimate in the first place? Apart from medical conditions, what other valid reasons are there for not being vaccinated?Why should someone be forced to get a vaccine to protect against a virus that most probably wont affect them? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 3 hours ago, Empty It said: Imagine banning people from partaking in society if they don't want to take a vaccine against a virus that even if they caught would most probably not effect them. If it was about suppressing the virus a negative test would be enough but it's about taking away peoples right of choice. Banished from society is overstating it a bit. - Nightclubs and adult entertainment venues. - Unseated indoor live events, with more than 500 people in the audience. - Unseated outdoor live events, with more than 4,000 people in the audience. - Any event, of any nature, which has more than 10,000 people in attendance -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 But surely there is enough real world data know to allay such concerns, assuming they were legitimate in the first place? Apart from medical conditions, what other valid reasons are there for not being vaccinated?Also less than a year in the "real world" shows absolutely nothing when it comes to possible long term side effects. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 Banished from society is overstating it a bit. - Nightclubs and adult entertainment venues. - Unseated indoor live events, with more than 500 people in the audience. - Unseated outdoor live events, with more than 4,000 people in the audience. - Any event, of any nature, which has more than 10,000 people in attendanceSorry meant to put parts of society. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiGi Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 15 hours ago, Proposition Joe said: "Nobody knew who I was until I carried the passport" And then still nobody knew. Except every business you've visited and subsequently every advertising company who now have a perfect profile of your habits after an accidental leak of your confidential info. And the feds. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aladdin Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 5 minutes ago, Empty It said: Why should someone be forced to get a vaccine to protect against a virus that most probably wont affect them? I don't believe people should be forced to take it. As I said above, getting vaccinated helps reduce transmission to those who may be more vulnerable. 24 minutes ago, UsedToGoToCentralPark said: Not wanting to get it is a perfectly valid reason Is it? Why would you not want it? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UsedToGoToCentralPark Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 Is it? Why would you not want it?I'm double jagged but don't see why my 17 year old son should need to get it when he's fit and healthy with no underlying health conditions so likely to cope fine with getting actual Covid and probably have a better long term immune system getting Covid as opposed to a vaccine he doesn't need. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salt n Vinegar Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 14 hours ago, Detournement said: The particles are much smaller than the holes in masks. It's like trying to keep midges from biting with a string vest. Put on a mask, fart and if you can smell it then we have the required proof. It might not be ideal, but if more folk adopted that approach it would certainly help improve social distancing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suspect Device Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 Listening (on delay) to Call Kaye this morning and I'm amazed by one of the mad fuckers phoning in to say that the guy who runs Cheerz bar in Aberdeen should sack his staff that aren't double vaccinated. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hk blues Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 17 minutes ago, Empty It said: 42 minutes ago, Aladdin said: But surely there is enough real world data know to allay such concerns, assuming they were legitimate in the first place? Apart from medical conditions, what other valid reasons are there for not being vaccinated? Why should someone be forced to get a vaccine to protect against a virus that most probably wont affect them? You could make the same argument for not wearing a seat belt - you most probably won't ever be in an accident but still need to wear one. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 You could make the same argument for not wearing a seat belt - you most probably won't ever be in an accident but still need to wear one. Correct if seatbelts had very little testing and someone's concern was that it would do them more harm than good. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aladdin Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 4 minutes ago, UsedToGoToCentralPark said: 10 minutes ago, Aladdin said: Is it? Why would you not want it? I'm double jagged but don't see why my 17 year old son should need to get it when he's fit and healthy with no underlying health conditions so likely to cope fine with getting actual Covid and probably have a better long term immune system getting Covid as opposed to a vaccine he doesn't need. Again, for the greater good. It helps to reduce onwards transmission to those more vulnerable, even if that reduction is not as great when considering the Delta variant. The whole argument about a person's individual risk smacks of the "Im alright Jack" position some adopt when discussing WFH and other restrictions and are rightly criticised for. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibsFan Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 I promised myself I'd never take another look at this thread, and then Sturgeon had to go and announce vaccine passports. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.