Sparticus Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said: It all hinges on if shes still pushing for it to be temporary. Its dead in the water if she is. I think it's dead in the water no matter what she proposes.It's not going to be for the good of Scottish football at all. It would only be good for hearts but bad for the rest of Scottish football.Everyone knows it. No need to change our structure, it's as good as we can get. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 Just now, Sparticus said: I think it's dead in the water no matter what she proposes.It's not going to be for the good of Scottish football at all. It would only be good for hearts but bad for the rest of Scottish football.Everyone knows it. No need to change our structure, it's as good as we can get. I think you're right tbh, but a few chairmen do seem open to reconstruction, including St Johnstones. If she could make it appealing enough there is a chance for her. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 Just now, Sparticus said: I think it's dead in the water no matter what she proposes.It's not going to be for the good of Scottish football at all. It would only be good for hearts but bad for the rest of Scottish football.Everyone knows it. No need to change our structure, it's as good as we can get. It is dead. Unless she has a miracle business plan that goes beyond sympathy for relegated clubs situation it has no chance. The reference in her statement to some players wanting it is utterly irrelevant. Even if she did produce something significantly positive for the game as a whole I'd still be extremely sceptical at the ability to gain enough votes to get it through. This is still Scottish football. In short, it's dead. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said: I think you're right tbh, but a few chairmen do seem open to reconstruction, including St Johnstones. If she could make it appealing enough there is a chance for her. One rare decent point Tom English made recently was that it's one thing for club chairmen to be sympathetic/open minded about reconstruction but an entirely different matter for that to be converted into voting for it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 (edited) 11 hours ago, Im_Rodger said: I genuinely believe we had that chance when Rangers went bust and were demoted into the 3rd Division. If we had a fully functioning pyramid Rangers returning would have taken an extended period of time (not 3/4 years). They’d have simply followed Airdrie’s example and bought out a struggling franchise and taken its league place. Probably Cowdenbeath ETA: After some negative feedback I'd like to point out that I wasn't saying that such an outcome would be a good thing Edited May 21, 2020 by topcat(The most tip top) -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The DA Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 1 minute ago, topcat(The most tip top) said: They’d have simply followed Airdrie’s example and bought out a struggling franchise and taken its league place. Probably Cowdenbeath Wonder how long it would have been before the SPFL and SFA awarded 'Airdrie' all those Rangers leagues and cups. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Sparticus Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 5 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said: I think you're right tbh, but a few chairmen do seem open to reconstruction, including St Johnstones. If she could make it appealing enough there is a chance for her I think they just have to be seen to be open to it.11-1 vote though.Lets start with the teams we think will vote against it? I'll start with mine.Hibs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Day Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 15 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said: It all hinges on if shes still pushing for it to be temporary. Its dead in the water if she is. There are more Premiership CEO fans of temporary than permanent, imo (and even then, not enough) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparticus Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 No. Easier fix. Leave it alone. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 2 hours ago, topcat(The most tip top) said: They’d have simply followed Airdrie’s example and bought out a struggling franchise and taken its league place. Probably Cowdenbeath ETA: After some negative feedback I'd like to point out that I wasn't saying that such an outcome would be a good thing Clubs can't just buy over another club. The Airdrie/Clydebank situation was unique and we'll almost certainly never see it again. I think Airdrie actually purchased Clydebank's league membership and not Clydebank the football club. That was due to Clydebank being pretty much defunct. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 2 hours ago, The DA said: Wonder how long it would have been before the SPFL and SFA awarded 'Airdrie' all those Rangers leagues and cups. We're not that far away from the centenary of Airdrie's cup win so that should test the principle. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 3 hours ago, Day of the Lords said: Mods, please fire this utter pish directly into the fucking sun. You're giving it too much credit. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 1 minute ago, DA Baracus said: Clubs can't just buy over another club. The Airdrie/Clydebank situation was unique and we'll almost certainly never see it again. I think Airdrie actually purchased Clydebank's league membership and not Clydebank the football club. That was due to Clydebank being pretty much defunct. That doesn't sound like the most difficult situation for to manufacture especially when you consider the type of "businessmen" that were circling the corporate corpse of the old Rangers Either I'm being overly cynical or you're being charmingly naive 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Green Day said: There are more Premiership CEO fans of temporary than permanent, imo (and even then, not enough) There will be several teams not relishing the prospect of up to 4 relegations next year or the year after if it's temporary. Edited May 21, 2020 by welshbairn 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 Just now, welshbairn said: There will be several teams not relishing the prospect of up to 4 relegations next year or the year after if it's temporary. Roll up, roll up for the 3 down, 1 in a play-off Premiership! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 (edited) I reckon to have a cats chance in Hell Ann Budge will need to do three things Firstly: Persuade Sky to put up more money for more football or at least persuade the clubs that this would happen. Secondly: Modify the "temporary" reconstruction to a "trial" reconstruction. So if in 2 years time everybody is happy with 14 we keep it, otherwise 3 teams go down in 2022/23 Thirdly: Be Lucky Edited May 21, 2020 by topcat(The most tip top) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountyFan Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 Clubs are not going to vote for a temporary reconstruction that increases their chance of relegation next year. It's a non starter. I don't understand why this is hard to grasp. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 32 minutes ago, topcat(The most tip top) said: That doesn't sound like the most difficult situation for to manufacture especially when you consider the type of "businessmen" that were circling the corporate corpse of the old Rangers Either I'm being overly cynical or you're being charmingly naive You can't just buy over a club. The club can just say 'no'. No club is going to agree to be bought over and thus consigned to the bin. The league would take a pretty dim view of it too. If it was so easy then Rangers and Celtic would probably have done it ages ago and played B and C teams down the leagues. Not Sevco. They would if they could afford it though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stellaboz Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 What happened in the cases of Ferranti and Meadowbank? Genuine question, I'm not sure if they were bought over, particularly in the Meadowbank Livingston case. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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