San Starko Rover Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 The loony Yoons usually add: Zimbabwe North Korea [emoji1][emoji1][emoji1]Venezuela and I’m expecting Lebanon to be the new addition. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SandyCromarty Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 5 hours ago, Jacksgranda said: Thanks. Those figures, at first glance, are unbelievable. However, add up MSPs' salaries, ministerial salaries (both plus expenses?), secreterial staff, ancillary staff, electricity, heating, phone and broadband, maintenance (both building and fixtures & fittings), food, ministerial cars, security etc I'm sure it fair mounts up. Small price to pay when we went 300 years without a Parliament nor a say in our own doorstep affairs and instead were trodden on and looked down upon by politicians whose only knowledge of Scotland was on their pal's grouse shooting estate parties. This is our country and how we run it is up to us. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, SandyCromarty said: Small price to pay when we went 300 years without a Parliament nor a say in our own doorstep affairs and instead were trodden on and looked down upon by politicians whose only knowledge of Scotland was on their pal's grouse shooting estate parties. 2 minutes ago, SandyCromarty said: This is our country and how we run it is up to us. Who said otherwise? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SandyCromarty Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 When you read this verbal diarrhoea gushing from these fanatical unionists it makes me wonder what will happen to their world in our soon to be Independent Scotland. They will be welcome as any minority will be but will they be comfortable with their new country? or will they emigrate to their beloved england and become just another sweaty sock as the english like to call us? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SandyCromarty Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 1 minute ago, Jacksgranda said: Who said otherwise? I don't question your loyalty nor do I question the cost of the Scottish Parliament. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genuine Hibs Fan Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 3 hours ago, LongTimeLurker said: Scotland could have been more like Andalucia or Aragon rather than Catalonia, if the Scottish angle could have been effectively catered to. This is absolute nonsense 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 1 minute ago, SandyCromarty said: I don't question your loyalty nor do I question the cost of the Scottish Parliament. Ever? Stormont costs a clean fortune (£5,000,000 for salaries alone for 6 months), but I suppose it's cheaper than bombs going off and people getting killed. Doesn't mean it's value for money. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SandyCromarty Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, Jacksgranda said: Ever? Stormont costs a clean fortune (£5,000,000 for salaries alone for 6 months), but I suppose it's cheaper than bombs going off and people getting killed. Doesn't mean it's value for money. NEVER! It was a long wait to have something westminster couldn't ream us over. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneteaminglasgow Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 6 minutes ago, Jacksgranda said: Ever? Stormont costs a clean fortune (£5,000,000 for salaries alone for 6 months), but I suppose it's cheaper than bombs going off and people getting killed. Doesn't mean it's value for money. Are you suggesting that there's an objective way to measure the value for money of democracy? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SandyCromarty Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 The icing on the cake when we gain Independence will be our application to join the EU. The unionists will go fuckin apeshit over this and I am sure that with all the shite Boris and co have thrown at the EU they will welcome us in with open arms. Just a wee btw, does this mortimer fool know that when we have our Independence marches there is a 'Rangers for Independence' contigennt that proudly marches with us. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beth Paige-Black Posted August 21, 2020 Author Share Posted August 21, 2020 Remember Westminister is being done up at the cost of £4,000 million. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 5 minutes ago, oneteaminglasgow said: Are you suggesting that there's an objective way to measure the value for money of democracy? I don't think the costs of parliaments should just be let rip and not scrutinised/commented on because they're democratic. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 17 minutes ago, Genuine Hibs Fan said: This is absolute nonsense Really? The Andalusian/Aragonese scenario of mainstream parties of the larger state still dominant with nationalist/regionalist parties in the 10-30% range was where Scotland was politically as recently as 20 years ago and where Donald Dewar and co very much expected it to remain post-devolution. The d'Hondt system was supposed to make an SNP majority impossible. Scotland doesn't have a language issue to fuel nationalism the way Catalonia does. Even anti-nationalist and all around Soviet nostalgist Alexander Lukashenko sometimes makes speeches in Belarusian (his mother tongue given he grew up on a collective farm) whenever Vlad is pissing him off over oil and gas prices. How often does Nicola S make speeches in Scots and would she even be able to string a complete sentence together if she tried? Scotland is like Aragon in having its medieval era state language almost extinct bar a few fermers in remote areas in terms of being spoken fluently and habitually and in having it completely marginalised as the language of instruction in schools rather than normalised and co-official like Catalan. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 16 minutes ago, Jacksgranda said: I don't think the costs of parliaments should just be let rip and not scrutinised/commented on because they're democratic. In terms of a monthly fee it would be under 2 quid per inhabitant per month and this is a number that will no doubt have been generously inflated to fit the preferred narrative. Meanwhile Netflix costs... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said: In terms of a monthly fee it would be under 2 quid per inhabitant per month and this is a number that will no doubt have been generously inflated to fit the preferred narrative. Meanwhile Netflix costs... Put like that, it sounds a bargain... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
git-intae-thum Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 9 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said: Scotland is like Aragon in having its medieval era state language almost extinct bar a few fermers in remote areas in terms of being spoken fluently and habitually and in having it completely marginalised as the language of instruction in schools rather than normalised and co-official like Catalan. Have you ever been to Methil? In all seriousness though, this is a consequence of generations of brainwashed cringe at anything Scottish and an element in our society hammering (sometimes not even figuratively) anyone for daring to even try to express themselves in their own tongue. Such brainwashed cringers still exist to this day would you believe. (Quantity rapidly diminishing thankfully) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speckled tangerine Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 I like this new guy. Can we keep him? Can we Can we Can we Pleeeaaaseeeeee 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 1 minute ago, git-intae-thum said: Have you ever been Methil? What gets spoken in Methil isn't fluent Scots, but a jumbled up mix of Scots and English. Transianka (?) is the Belarus phrase for that sort of thing. Lukashenko sometimes goes full Buchan fermer mode on television in addresses to the nation. No SNP politician has ever done that because Scots is way too far gone to be the rocket fuel for nationalism. Belarus still has some Belarusian language newspapers and schools alongside Russian ones. We have nothing like that even with the SNP in power. Our elite ditched Scots 400 years ago, so Gaelic gets latched onto instead even though it had a status similar to Saami in medieval Norway in a Scottish context pre-Union of the Crowns. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 Gaelic is already a dead language measured by people who chose to speak it. It's basically kept alive as a party piece and a middle class job scheme by the Scottish Government. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 47 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said: Really? The Andalusian/Aragonese scenario of mainstream parties of the larger state still dominant with nationalist/regionalist parties in the 10-30% range was where Scotland was politically as recently as 20 years ago and where Donald Dewar and co very much expected it to remain post-devolution. The d'Hondt system was supposed to make an SNP majority impossible. Scotland doesn't have a language issue to fuel nationalism the way Catalonia does. Even anti-nationalist and all around Soviet nostalgist Alexander Lukashenko sometimes makes speeches in Belarusian (his mother tongue given he grew up on a collective farm) whenever Vlad is pissing him off over oil and gas prices. How often does Nicola S make speeches in Scots and would she even be able to string a complete sentence together if she tried? Scotland is like Aragon in having its medieval era state language almost extinct bar a few fermers in remote areas in terms of being spoken fluently and habitually and in having it completely marginalised as the language of instruction in schools rather than normalised and co-official like Catalan. Well aye, it you view it entirely through the prism of language. Multiple countries have chosen independence from the UK which were English speaking. I don't think language is a determining factor. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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