G51 Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 1 minute ago, Boo Khaki said: It's not remotely the same as running a lateral play It absolutely is, the ball goes backwards without touching the ground. I understand that the rule is based on intent, my argument is that the rule is really stupid because it doesn't account for instances like today. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boo Khaki Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 Do you know about the circumstances that brought that rule into existence? If you did, you'd realise why it's absolutely necessary to prevent intentional cheating, and why a fumble is not the same as a deliberate lateral. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gogs Grog Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 It absolutely is, the ball goes backwards without touching the ground. I understand that the rule is based on intent, my argument is that the rule is really stupid because it doesn't account for instances like today.What is no right to me is if it happened at any point in the first 3 quarters it's a 1st down. How rules can change depending on when it happens in the game is not right. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 1 minute ago, Gogs Grog said: 3 minutes ago, G51 said: It absolutely is, the ball goes backwards without touching the ground. I understand that the rule is based on intent, my argument is that the rule is really stupid because it doesn't account for instances like today. What is no right to me is if it happened at any point in the first 3 quarters it's a 1st down. How rules can change depending on when it happens in the game is not right. There are plenty things which are different outwith the last 2 minutes of a game. They are all there for a reason, though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antiochas III Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 TD Panthers. They lead 13-0 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G51 Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 Just now, Todd_is_God said: There are plenty things which are different outwith the last 2 minutes of a game. They are all there for a reason, though. If you can explain to me the reason for that play being prevented in the final 2 minutes of the game, I'd love to hear it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boo Khaki Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 Herbert just broke the Rookie passing TD record. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 6 minutes ago, G51 said: It absolutely is, the ball goes backwards without touching the ground. I understand that the rule is based on intent, my argument is that the rule is really stupid because it doesn't account for instances like today. I understand what you are getting at, but it would be next to impossible to definitively say if a fumble is deliberate or not, especially that one. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, G51 said: If you can explain to me the reason for that play being prevented in the final 2 minutes of the game, I'd love to hear it. If you are asking why the rule exists to prevent a fumble on 4th down inside the last 2 minutes being advanced by any player other than the one who fumbled it, then no problem. If you are asking why the rule book doesn't specifically cover a QB sneak stopped half a yard short then you are being deliberately obtuse. How do you prove any particular fumble is deliberate or not, and who decides? See also Frankfurt's final offensive play in World Bowl 96 Edited December 27, 2020 by Todd_is_God 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antiochas III Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 Another turnover. Haskins picked... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G51 Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 Just now, Todd_is_God said: If you are asking why the rule exists to prevent a fumble on 4th down inside the last 2 minutes being advanced by any player other than the one who fumbled it, then no problem. If you are asking why the rule book doesn't specifically cover a QB sneak stopped half a yard short then you are being deliberately obtuse. I'm asking if you can explain why a fumble that doesn't touch the ground and goes backwards on 4th down inside the last two minutes isn't allowed to be advanced by any other player is not permitted. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 1 minute ago, G51 said: I'm asking if you can explain why a fumble that doesn't touch the ground and goes backwards on 4th down inside the last two minutes isn't allowed to be advanced by any other player is not permitted. Because of this Nowhere in the rulebook does it state a fumble must touch the ground btw, so you can stop mentioning that as if it's relevant. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lichtie23 Posted December 27, 2020 Author Share Posted December 27, 2020 Cmon to f**k Dallas 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G51 Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 1 minute ago, Todd_is_God said: Because of this Nowhere in the rulebook does it state a fumble must touch the ground btw, so you can stop mentioning that as if it's relevant. Yes I know what the holy roller is, but the key difference is that it was fumbled forward. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antiochas III Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 Panthers TD. Lead 20-0. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boo Khaki Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 2 minutes ago, G51 said: Yes I know what the holy roller is, but the key difference is that it was fumbled forward. Forward or backward is irrelevant. The difference is a fumble is a loss of possession and a live ball, a lateral is not, it's contiguous possession whether the lateral is actually successful or not. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lichtie23 Posted December 27, 2020 Author Share Posted December 27, 2020 Panthers TD. Lead 20-0. They’ve choked 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lichtie23 Posted December 27, 2020 Author Share Posted December 27, 2020 Cowboys TD. I feel dirty for being happy about that 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 Just now, Boo Khaki said: Forward or backward is irrelevant. The difference is a fumble is a loss of possession and a live ball, a lateral is not, it's contiguous possession whether the lateral is actually successful or not. Correct. The definition of a fumble is simply this "A fumble is any act, other than a pass or kick, which results in a loss of player possession." 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, G51 said: Yes I know what the holy roller is, but the key difference is that it was fumbled forward. No, the key difference is that what the Raiders did was legal (at the time). Edited December 27, 2020 by Todd_is_God 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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