Guest Bob Mahelp Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 Did he not make his Scotland debut at Wembley 1967 ? Not a bad game to do it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gannonball Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, kennie makevin said: John McGovern didn't win a single Scottish cap despite being a European Cup winning captain. And what did McGovern 's Forest do the season after becoming European champions ? They won it again. What did the Lisbon Lions do the season after becoming European champions ? Got pumped out in the preliminary round. So they were fallible, we're not demi-gods and probably won about the right number of international caps but to a certain breed of paranoid Celtic supporter to suggest such a thing is tantamount to "spouting shite". Celtic reached the semi finals of cup winners cup in 66, won European cup in 67. Then , the years after your selected year -quarter,final.,quarter,semi. They weren’t some flash in the pan job that you were attempting to allude to. Edited October 13, 2021 by gannonball 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewan8472 Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 (edited) Tommy Gemmell's Soviet Union goal is on YT Edited October 14, 2021 by Ewan8472 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewan8472 Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 It might help explain how he got so few caps. Next ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 17 hours ago, Busta Nut said: Jock Stein seems like a c**t Reputed to have been very knowledgeable though 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paranoid android Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 It's my mum's birthday next week. No caps. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 11 hours ago, gannonball said: Celtic reached the semi finals of cup winners cup in 66, won European cup in 67. Then , the years after your selected year -quarter,final.,quarter,semi. They weren’t some flash in the pan job that you were attempting to allude to. Mind you they were were only 32 teams in the competition so half of them got within a game of the quarter. And that was in the days when teams from Finland, Malta and Ireland were in the last 42 and given that it was the champions from the previous season that qualified often the best teams from each country weren't necessarily involved And they got to the 1970 final on the back of winning a coin toss 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyg Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 16 minutes ago, topcat(The most tip top) said: Mind you they were were only 32 teams in the competition so half of them got within a game of the quarter. And that was in the days when teams from Finland, Malta and Ireland were in the last 42 and given that it was the champions from the previous season that qualified often the best teams from each country weren't necessarily involved And they got to the 1970 final on the back of winning a coin toss Champions ! That's the way it should be , there's three tourneys now , so get the also-rans into the Europa League , and get the CL back to champions only. As for the coin toss , that was just the way of it back then and all the clubs were aware of that and were happy with it. It's not as if Celtic were the only team to benefit from the coin toss in the history of European football ! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, billyg said: Champions ! That's the way it should be , there's three tourneys now , so get the also-rans into the Europa League , and get the CL back to champions only. As for the coin toss , that was just the way of it back then and all the clubs were aware of that and were happy with it. It's not as if Celtic were the only team to benefit from the coin toss in the history of European football ! I'm not saying you shouldn't be proud of your teams achievements 50+ years ago Just that the lily is sometimes being gilded a little bit too much Edited October 14, 2021 by topcat(The most tip top) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gannonball Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 47 minutes ago, topcat(The most tip top) said: And they got to the 1970 final on the back of winning a coin toss Yeah I can’t remember if it was a biography of McNeill or Stein I was reading about years ago and it was the first I seen about it, unreal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 14 minutes ago, gannonball said: Yeah I can’t remember if it was a biography of McNeill or Stein I was reading about years ago and it was the first I seen about it, unreal. People backing VAR as it aided us twice this international break should want the coin back... our clubs have 100% toss record. Celtic v Benfica (EC R2 1969-70); Rangers v Real Zaragoza (CWC QF 1966-67). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewan8472 Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 1 hour ago, billyg said: Champions ! That's the way it should be , there's three tourneys now , so get the also-rans into the Europa League , and get the CL back to champions only. As for the coin toss , that was just the way of it back then and all the clubs were aware of that and were happy with it. It's not as if Celtic were the only team to benefit from the coin toss in the history of European football ! the Rangers. A bit suspicious if you ask me ! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewan8472 Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 16 hours ago, HibeeJibee said: Wednesday 10th May 1967 SCOTLAND - USSR 0-2 (0-2) SCOTLAND: (Manager: Robert Brown/2) Ronald Campbell Simpson (Celtic) Thomas Gemmell (Celtic) Edward Graham McCreadie (Chelsea) John Clark (Celtic) William McNeill (Celtic) James Curran Baxter [c] (Sunderland) - James Connelly Johnstone (Celtic) Francis McLintock (Arsenal) James McCalliog (Sheffield Wednesday) Denis Law (Manchester United) Robert Lennox (Celtic) Subs: William Semple Brown Wallace (5/Celtic) for Denis Law (HT) USSR: (Coach: Mikhail Jakushin) Lev Jashin - Valentin Afonin, Albert Shesternev [c] - Murtaz Khurtsilava, Vasilij Danilov, Valerij Voronin - Igor Chislenko, Jozsef Sabo, Fedor Medvid, Eduard Streltsov, Eduard Malofeev Referee: Laurens van Ravens (Netherlands) Crowd: 53.497, Hampden Park, Glasgow Goals: 0-1 Gemmell (17) own goal, 0-2 Medvid (41) Traditional end-of-season friendly at Hampden. USSR were World Cup semi-finalists and Euros runners-up. Scotland had just become "Unofficial World Champions" after the famous win at Wembley the previous month which had also secured Home Nations title (and doubled-up as opening half of Euro 68 qualifying). Celtic was awaiting European Cup Final... Rangers the Cup-Winners' Cup Final... Kilmarnock the Fairs Cup SFs. Representative squad was about to embark on world tour of Israel, Hong Kong, Australia, NZ and Canada. Tartan Army booed team off at FT. Hardly surprising considering how poor the defending was and we lost our unofficial world champions title 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 47 minutes ago, Ewan8472 said: Hardly surprising considering how poor the defending was and we lost our unofficial world champions title Has any other Scottish club ever had one of their players score for the Soviet Union? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kennie makevin Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 (edited) 15 hours ago, gannonball said: Celtic reached the semi finals of cup winners cup in 66, won European cup in 67. Then , the years after your selected year -quarter,final.,quarter,semi. They weren’t some flash in the pan job that you were attempting to allude to. And they weren't the superhuman, all-conquering footballing gods you were alluding to either......and Nottingham Forest have still won twice as many European Cups as them !! Edited October 14, 2021 by kennie makevin Typo 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 1 hour ago, topcat(The most tip top) said: Has any other Scottish club ever had one of their players score for the Soviet Union? Oleg Kuznetsov of Rangers? I'd thought like Tommy Gemmell he actually scored for USSR in Glasgow - in a February 1991 friendly at Ibrox - but that was a different Kuznetsov. He did score for USSR v Norway in a September 1990 qualifier in Moscow though. I'd thought Alexhei Mikhailichenko of Rangers could be another but got his last goals for USSR shortly before joining Rangers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewan8472 Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 17 hours ago, gannonball said: Celtic reached the semi finals of cup winners cup in 66, won European cup in 67. Then , the years after your selected year -quarter,final.,quarter,semi. They weren’t some flash in the pan job that you were attempting to allude to. Athletico Madrid certainly cheated them out of progressing further 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 5 hours ago, gannonball said: Yeah I can’t remember if it was a biography of McNeill or Stein I was reading about years ago and it was the first I seen about it, unreal. I thought you boys knew your history... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewan8472 Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 On 13/10/2021 at 16:30, Busta Nut said: Jock Stein seems like a c**t Why ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewan8472 Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 23 hours ago, HibeeJibee said: Wednesday 10th May 1967 SCOTLAND - USSR 0-2 (0-2) SCOTLAND: (Manager: Robert Brown/2) Ronald Campbell Simpson (Celtic) Thomas Gemmell (Celtic) Edward Graham McCreadie (Chelsea) John Clark (Celtic) William McNeill (Celtic) James Curran Baxter [c] (Sunderland) - James Connelly Johnstone (Celtic) Francis McLintock (Arsenal) James McCalliog (Sheffield Wednesday) Denis Law (Manchester United) Robert Lennox (Celtic) Subs: William Semple Brown Wallace (5/Celtic) for Denis Law (HT) USSR: (Coach: Mikhail Jakushin) Lev Jashin - Valentin Afonin, Albert Shesternev [c] - Murtaz Khurtsilava, Vasilij Danilov, Valerij Voronin - Igor Chislenko, Jozsef Sabo, Fedor Medvid, Eduard Streltsov, Eduard Malofeev Referee: Laurens van Ravens (Netherlands) Crowd: 53.497, Hampden Park, Glasgow Goals: 0-1 Gemmell (17) own goal, 0-2 Medvid (41) Traditional end-of-season friendly at Hampden. USSR were World Cup semi-finalists and Euros runners-up. Scotland had just become "Unofficial World Champions" after the famous win at Wembley the previous month which had also secured Home Nations title (and doubled-up as opening half of Euro 68 qualifying). Celtic was awaiting European Cup Final... Rangers the Cup-Winners' Cup Final... Kilmarnock the Fairs Cup SFs. Representative squad was about to embark on world tour of Israel, Hong Kong, Australia, NZ and Canada. Thanks 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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