ICTChris Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 There are now reports that Ukraine is actually reinforcing Severodonetsk not withdrawing. Main takeaway should be that no-one knows what is happening there really. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty dingus Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 10 minutes ago, ICTChris said: There are now reports that Ukraine is actually reinforcing Severodonetsk not withdrawing. Main takeaway should be that no-one knows what is happening there really. Why does this war seem to lack coverage? With the Gulf War, Afghanistan, Syria and even the Vietnam war it seemed every unit had a journalist embedded. Here there seems to be, photographs, drone, cctv and grainy phone footage. Is it to do with the enemy tracking the press sending data, lack of uk/us personnel involvement or just not as many budding Kate Aides anymore? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagfox Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 25 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said: Big once 100% confirmed: but has to be frustrating for the Ukrainians that these shipments only happen incremently. If these had been supplied at the very outset what difference would that have made in Kherson and Mariupol? 500 km isn't enough range to hit Moscow from Kharkiv but it potentially brings all of Crimea in range including the Kerch bridge. Hence the warnings from Lavrov. I’ve seen other sources they are more likely to send shorter range systems if any. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 19 minutes ago, ICTChris said: There are now reports that Ukraine is actually reinforcing Severodonetsk not withdrawing. Main takeaway should be that no-one knows what is happening there really. The situation around Popasna is reported to have stabilised a bit. What the Ukrainians do at Severodonetsk and Lysychansk is likely to be shaped by how likely imminent encirclement is from that direction. Using their hold on a sliver of land in Luhansk oblast as bait to have the Russians lose lots of their remaining armour and best trained personnel going after strong defensive positions is the ideal scenario from a Ukrainian standpoint at this point. The Ukrainians are still in a holding pattern to a certain extent waiting to be ready to counterattack in a major way in July or August with newly trained reserves who will be equipped with all sorts of goodies supplied by NATO. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 5 minutes ago, dirty dingus said: Why does this war seem to lack coverage? With the Gulf War, Afghanistan, Syria and even the Vietnam war it seemed every unit had a journalist embedded. Here there seems to be, photographs, drone, cctv and grainy phone footage. Is it to do with the enemy tracking the press sending data, lack of uk/us personnel involvement or just not as many budding Kate Aides anymore? Lack of "oor" boys being involved and the fact that Lyviv is quite a nice wee spot to report on a war 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagfox Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 25 minutes ago, ICTChris said: There are now reports that Ukraine is actually reinforcing Severodonetsk not withdrawing. Main takeaway should be that no-one knows what is happening there really. Radio just said Russian forces have entered Severo-Donetsk 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 (edited) That happened yesterday at a location called the Mir hotel from a youtube clip I watched last night. One of two remaining bridges from Lysychansk was also blown up yesterday apparently: Find this guy is reasonably balanced in terms of outlining the setbacks as well as the victories for his side. Edited May 28, 2022 by LongTimeLurker 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 17 minutes ago, dirty dingus said: Why does this war seem to lack coverage? With the Gulf War, Afghanistan, Syria and even the Vietnam war it seemed every unit had a journalist embedded. Here there seems to be, photographs, drone, cctv and grainy phone footage. Is it to do with the enemy tracking the press sending data, lack of uk/us personnel involvement or just not as many budding Kate Aides anymore? Because you can do it from your house apparently. 11 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said: The situation around Popasna is reported to have stabilised a bit. What the Ukrainians do at Severodonetsk and Lysychansk is likely to be shaped by how likely imminent encirclement is from that direction. Using their hold on a sliver of land in Luhansk oblast as bait to have the Russians lose lots of their remaining armour and best trained personnel going after strong defensive positions is the ideal scenario from a Ukrainian standpoint at this point. The Ukrainians are still in a holding pattern to a certain extent waiting to be ready to counterattack in a major way in July or August with newly trained reserves who will be equipped with all sorts of goodies supplied by NATO. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 (edited) Twitter and youtube have changed everything in media terms. You can find people like the Ukrainian dude in the clip above who actually know what they are talking about to keep you informed now rather than listening to some talking head on the BBC who basically only got the job because they had a posh Oxbridge accent and were the sort of person the Beeb top brass were comfortable having around at office Christmas parties, etc. Edited May 28, 2022 by LongTimeLurker 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 (edited) All the information on Telegram and other sources in English from both sides has completely negated the reporting/propaganda techniques that the British media used while covering wars in Muslim nations. Especially in Syria there was an obvious effort to coordinate reporting of the fighting with political efforts here to join the war. The war would disappear for weeks then all the news channels would bring back coverage simultaneously. Edited May 28, 2022 by Detournement 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 Radio just said Russian forces have entered Severo-Donetsk They entered Kyiv and Kharkiv as well. It's all pretty meaningless because we are only getting fed what each side wants to show us. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 23 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: 1 hour ago, jagfox said: Radio just said Russian forces have entered Severo-Donetsk They entered Kyiv and Kharkiv as well. It's all pretty meaningless because we are only getting fed what each side wants to show us. Kyiv and Kharkiv are huge cities with populations of millions and big metropolitan areas. Severodonetsk has a population of 100k, or did pre war. It’s much smaller and Russian forces entering suggests it’s under immediate threat. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 1 hour ago, jagfox said: I’ve seen other sources they are more likely to send shorter range systems if any. This might be the way they do it: Thread that's worth a read from somebody who I suspect probably has more concept of what's happening than Kate Adie would if she were reporting off a teleprompter from Bakhmut: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Archer (Raconteur) Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 1 hour ago, dirty dingus said: Why does this war seem to lack coverage? With the Gulf War, Afghanistan, Syria and even the Vietnam war it seemed every unit had a journalist embedded. Here there seems to be, photographs, drone, cctv and grainy phone footage. Is it to do with the enemy tracking the press sending data, lack of uk/us personnel involvement or just not as many budding Kate Aides anymore? Boris was once paid to be a journalist, send the c**t over. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beefybake Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, dirty dingus said: Why does this war seem to lack coverage? With the Gulf War, Afghanistan, Syria and even the Vietnam war it seemed every unit had a journalist embedded. Here there seems to be, photographs, drone, cctv and grainy phone footage. Is it to do with the enemy tracking the press sending data, lack of uk/us personnel involvement or just not as many budding Kate Aides anymore? Well, I do remember the coverage of the Vietnam war. Photo journalism was everywhere, on the ground, in the gunships.., everywhere. The journalists and reporters were given huge access at the sharp end. At all times they were reporting and writing for their employers, or independently. All this open access had huge political repercussions when the US public could see what was happening. The aftermath was that the politicians and military resolved that, in future, they would control the access, and hence, the narrative of what the public could see. What you refer to as 'embedding' is something that came about after Vietnam. Highly controlled, with footage often reviewed by the military before it reaches public broacast. Edited May 28, 2022 by beefybake 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Tattiescone Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, beefybake said: Well, I do remember the coverage of the Vietnam war. Photo journalism was everywhere, on the ground, in the gunships.., everywhere. The journalists and reporters were given huge access at the sharp end. At all times they were reporting and writing for their employers, or independently. All this open access had huge political repercussions when the US public could see what was happening. The aftermath was that the politicians and military resolved that, in future, they would control the access, and hence, the narrative of what the public could see. What you refer to as 'embedding' is something that came about after Vietnam. Highly controlled, with footage often reviewed by the military before it reaches public broacast. There's also been a history of reporters giving away useful information to the other side. The BBC did this in the Falklands, warning the Argentinians about Goose Green and telling their air force to adjust the fuses on their bombs. In this conflict, a Russian reporter did a video report standing beside an artillery piece that was firing. The Ukrainians geo-located it and destroyed the site. Quite a few journalists killed in this conflict - https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/04/13/20-journalists-killed-in-ukraine-war-union-a77336 Edited May 28, 2022 by Newbornbairn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 (edited) Weekly update from Michel Goya https://lavoiedelepee.blogspot.com/2022/05/point-de-situation-des-operations-en_28.html Esssentially the three options are - stay and fight; counter attack against Popsana or withdraw to the river. Latter option is best militarily bit difficult politically. Ukraine have let the military lead battlefield decisions but that could be tested if they are advised to withdraw from those cities. Probably the most difficult period of the war so far for the Ukrainians. Edited May 28, 2022 by ICTChris 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagfox Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 UA is getting NATO support but not from all of NATO. France and Germany found wanting again? Seems to be an underlying narrative. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 1 minute ago, jagfox said: France and Germany found wanting again? Seems to be an underlying narrative. Maybe they just don't want to demolish their economy over a country they have no obligation to defend? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagfox Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: Maybe they just don't want to demolish their economy over a country they have no obligation to defend? They certainly don't want to defend Ukraine. That is clear. They seem to have cozied up to Putin. Not sure it would affect their economy outside of energy imports but obviously that is a big concern for the Germans. On the food/ sanctions front. Edited May 28, 2022 by jagfox 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.