welshbairn Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 If only they hadn't signed a security guarantee pact with Russia in return for handing over their nuclear weapons and Russia recognising the massive majority vote for independence in the referendum, including the Donbass. Even Crimea voted for it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 Not talked up a lot but the Ukrainians still control a small part of Bakhmut: looks like it was the Storm Shadow missiles supplied by the UK that took out the bridges at Chonhar: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 Prigozhin has released an unbelievable video where he talks about the justifications for the war and teh current state of Russian forces facing the counter offensive. It's about 30 minutes long and, obviously, is in Russian but the war translated accounted is posting parts of it. Girkin has responded saying that Prigozhin is lying, that the oligarchs opposed the wars in 2014 and since. The videos are insane, he's basically accusing teh MoD and the President of lying and plundering. He must calculate they need his fighters so need to leave him alone, although if he is lobbed out of a window the Wagnerites will still be there - what are they going to do, all defect to Ukraine? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 Prigozhin Left himself a very narrow route out there, suggesting Putin was lied to. It could also be a way for Putin stop the SMO, but suddenly announcing he had been mislead by greedy Generals and oligarchs. Perhaps Prigozhin is betting Putin wants out…it’s a hell of a bet, if that’s the case. Happier than ever that Prigozhin is on my Deadpool team! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 Prigozhin suggesting that the RUssian MoD hit a Wagner base with a missile. Puts out the following message Quote Full message of Prigozhi "declaring war on the Russian Ministry of Defence: "PMC Wagner Commanders’ Council made a decision: the evil brought by the military leadership of the country must be stopped. They neglect the lives of soldiers. They forgot the word “justice”, and we will bring it back. Those, who destroyed today our guys, who destroyed tens, tens of thousands of lives of Russian soldiers will be punished. I’m asking: no one resist. Everyone who will try to resist, we will consider them a danger and destroy them immediately, including any checkpoints on our way. And any aviation that we see above our heads. I’m asking everyone to remain calm, do not succumb to provocations, and remain in their houses. Ideally, those along our way, do not go outside. After we finished what we started, we will return to the frontline to protect our motherland. Presidential authority, Government, Ministry of Internal Affairs, Rosgvardia, and other departments will continue operating as before. We will deal with those who destroy Russian soldiers. And we will return to the frontline. Justice in the Army will be restored. And after this, justice for the whole of Russia." He's said all sorts of stuff like this before, he seems to be going further this time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 Having taken everything into account, done a full analysis of the information available, combined with historical context, looks like Prigozhin has gone fucking mental. More high level analysis as we get it. 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaspianChris Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 27 minutes ago, ICTChris said: Having taken everything into account, done a full analysis of the information available, combined with historical context, looks like Prigozhin has gone fucking mental. More high level analysis as we get it. He was a chef, they're all the same. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 This isn't a coup one minute then the next minute: The only reason I can think of for why this was allowed to escalate this far is that they first had to use the Ukrainians to wipe out most of the Wagner forces in Soledar and Bakhmut to cut them down to a manageable size, if they ever decided to go off the reservation like this. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaspianChris Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 A new Russian Civil War brewing you say well @Sergeant Wilson could be an expert on that. After all he was just a young lad at the time of the first civil war in Russia so should remember that well. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 21 hours ago, Ginaro said: Which parts of the Minsk agreement did they not adhere to? The bit with the "s" in it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Patterson Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 Well now... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 (edited) Some footage coming out of army vehicles on the streets of Russian cities. Seems like this is genuine. some channels report a column of Wagner forces cross the border into Russia. Generak Surivikin releases a video appealing firWagner to stand down. He’s armed with a machine pistol in the clip. Edited June 23, 2023 by ICTChris 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Musketeer Gripweed Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, ICTChris said: Some footage coming out of army vehicles on the streets of Russian cities. Seems like this is genuine. Can you give us your expert analysis on how Russia's three day special military operation is going now, 16 months later? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S7C Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 Nuclear superpower on the brink of civil war. What could possibly go wrong? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sophia Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 23 hours ago, OmegaSpeedyPro said: If only they kept control of own affairs adhered to the mink agreement and not allow itself to be used for a usa russian proxy war . Did they weasel out of it? Also You're name will also go on the list. What is it? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyDickFingers Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 Reports of a base near Moscow in flames. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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