Bairnardo Posted August 16, 2023 Share Posted August 16, 2023 11 minutes ago, Ziggy Sobotka said: Suppose it's one way to guarantee this far but no further. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MazzyStar Posted August 16, 2023 Share Posted August 16, 2023 33 minutes ago, Ziggy Sobotka said: NATO are officially Putin apologists. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted August 16, 2023 Share Posted August 16, 2023 The Wombles have entered the fray apparently: Hopefully whoever this really refers to are not unbelievably disorganised amateurs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 16, 2023 Share Posted August 16, 2023 3 hours ago, MazzyStar said: NATO are officially Putin apologists. Many Ukrainians themselves might meet that standard by some folk's very elastic definition. Vox Ukraine is a think tank of mostly US-based Ukrainian economists. They conducted this poll recently: https://voxukraine.org/en/the-ability-of-ukrainians-to-distinguish-messages-of-russian-propaganda-results-of-public-opinion-research Which found the following among the polled: Nobody from the Russia-occupied territories was polled. You see in the phrasing of the questions that double negatives are often used which is awkward for us to read but supposedly that's common phrasing in Ukrainian. As Vox Ukraine point out, Russian state access to the Ukrainian "information space" had been very high until recently and almost all Ukrainians understand Russian language. There's also that socio-economic factors hugely come into which beliefs folk hold as the authors explain in detail. Big regional differences on some questions were observed, big generational differences sometimes too. So the results of that poll show not every Ukrainian thinks alike. This is all just for discussion in the abstract, though. When it comes to actual policy, the elected government in Kyiv must be taken as representative of Ukrainians. Therefore, what they say is always what foreign entities should go with. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 On 16/08/2023 at 08:55, Newbornbairn said: Early in the war there was quite a lot of chat about Russian cyber-attacks, but that went quiet. I notce there's been quite a lot of stuff happening recently - leaking Norn Ireland police details, the entire Voter's Roll being hacked, Bank of Ireland ATMs spewing out cash. Discord have been hacked and shut down. Coincidence? It was because of a FoI request, apparently. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-66448442 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Tattiescone Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 22 hours ago, Ziggy Sobotka said: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 (edited) https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/08/17/ukraine-counteroffensive-melitopol/ The Washington Post describe the counteroffensive as "spluttering" and I've read other outlets using words like "slow" and "disappointing". Yet if the picture presented in the above screenshots is correct then a choice was taken that resulted in less dead Ukrainians. In my book, that's a win. Further, territorial progress is still being made: Regarding this critical reaction from some quarters to the counteroffensive, I agree with Ukraine Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba: Edited August 19, 2023 by FreedomFarter 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Tattiescone Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 Remember that tanker that was hit by a drone? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 1 hour ago, Newbornbairn said: Remember that tanker that was hit by a drone? Answer is in the CC, it was the engine room hit. As we saw on the strike video, the attacking drone passed close by to identify the vessel and then deliberately struck the machinery spaces. Since a tanker has massive buoyancy potential in its tanks, venting the engine room to the sea wouldn’t necessarily sink if the crew were competent. I’d love to see pictures of the Olenogorsky Gornyak too. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyDickFingers Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 40 minutes ago, TxRover said: I’d love to see pictures of the Olenogorsky Gornyak too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 2 hours ago, TommyDickFingers said: Nice, you can see the increased internal structure for a ship intended to go in harms way, nasty. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 They're attacking the moon now. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee-Bey Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 14 minutes ago, bennett said: They're attacking the moon now. There are Nazis on the moon tbf. Method in the madness. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alta-pete Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 Gammon missiles being turned from defensive to offensive weapons. (Insert your own joke here). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyDickFingers Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 According to Ru MOD a Tu-22M was "damaged" today by a drone. NATO reporting name 'Backfire' funnily enough. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Tattiescone Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 4 hours ago, bennett said: They're attacking the moon now. They were aiming at Kyiv. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 4 minutes ago, TommyDickFingers said: According to Ru MOD a Tu-22M was "damaged" today by a drone. NATO reporting name 'Backfire' funnily enough. Couldn't they have been more specific on the nature of the damage? Hard to tell from that far back 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyDickFingers Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 1 minute ago, Bairnardo said: Couldn't they have been more specific on the nature of the damage? Hard to tell from that far back Top secret stuff, cant be too careful. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 5 hours ago, TommyDickFingers said: According to Ru MOD a Tu-22M was "damaged" today by a drone. NATO reporting name 'Backfire' funnily enough. Should buff out. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNU_Linux Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 10 hours ago, Ziggy Sobotka said: There are Nazis on the moon tbf. Method in the madness. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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