jagfox Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 Surely you do a disservice to VT with that statement [emoji2]Does the cadets count? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 1 hour ago, MuckleMoo said: I'm probably miles out here as I wouldn't even pretend to know what I'm talking about but wouldn't Ukraine be receiving pretty significant strategic assistance/guidance/planning, what ever you want to call it, from NATO or countries within NATO already. Is it possible that these latest tactical developments have at least been jointly orchestrated by Ukraine and the West? While the exact extent of the assistance being provided has not been specified, it is clear that the NATO powers have been giving data to Ukraine. The RAF and USAF Rivet Joint flights circling just outside Ukrainian airspace are capable of detecting and localizing a whole range of signals and such, while the AWCS and satellites have the ability to locate formations and movement of forces. The forwarding of this data has never been explicitly confirmed, but in relation to the Moskva incident, there was verification from a USAF source that if the Ukrainians inquired through channels if a certain target appeared to be X, the word might come back that it appeared to be so. There is no clear data on what intelligence the Ukrainians might be getting on Russian troop movements and signal intelligence related to potential actions, but it would be very surprising if some liaison has not been established since NATO has all but committed to a proxy war using Ukraine…and the Ukrainians are either very good at guessing what the Russians are doing/planning, or… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Archer (Raconteur) Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuckleMoo Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 I have no idea what this means but it doesn't sound good 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jedi Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 What are the chances of Ukraine now moving into and retaking the Donbas area? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 12 minutes ago, MuckleMoo said: 22 minutes ago, Zen Archer (Raconteur) said: I have no idea what this means but it doesn't sound good My take is that Azerbaijan, backed by Turkey, are assuming that Russia are too occupied elsewhere to fulfil their commitment to protect Armenia. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 21 minutes ago, welshbairn said: My take is that Azerbaijan, backed by Turkey, are assuming that Russia are too occupied elsewhere to fulfil their commitment to protect Armenia. Fair view. There are a number of areas across the region where Russia’s thumb has maintained relative “stability”, and with the reduced availability of projectable power on the part of Russia, this may well be the start of a snowball. Turkey is the regional power likely bankrolling this little display, but you can expect to see other parties joining in, like Iran in Syria, etc. I would be quite interested in Chinese current deployments versus historical deployments in the Siberian border area. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theroadlesstravelled Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 Fox News is not taking it well. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hillonearth Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 4 minutes ago, TxRover said: Fair view. There are a number of areas across the region where Russia’s thumb has maintained relative “stability”, and with the reduced availability of projectable power on the part of Russia, this may well be the start of a snowball. Turkey is the regional power likely bankrolling this little display, but you can expect to see other parties joining in, like Iran in Syria, etc. I would be quite interested in Chinese current deployments versus historical deployments in the Siberian border area. Don't see Russia being in a position to come to the aid of the few allies they've got left...Lukashenka in Belarus must be sleeping with one eye open right now considering he's only in power as a client of Putin. Even the likes of Georgia could be thinking "Hmmm..." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 Apparently a ceasefire agreement has been reached, brokered by Russia. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 8 minutes ago, Hillonearth said: Don't see Russia being in a position to come to the aid of the few allies they've got left...Lukashenka in Belarus must be sleeping with one eye open right now considering he's only in power as a client of Putin. Even the likes of Georgia could be thinking "Hmmm..." The billionaire oligarch who bankrolls and controls Georgian politics has close ties to the Kremlin and Russian oligarchs. He could actually end up being sanctioned for this, so don’t expect a Georgian push on South Ossetia or Abkhazia any time soon. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 Interesting statement from some Municipal Deputies: First part translates as: “Mundeps demand Putin's resignation Municipal deputies from 18 different districts of Moscow, St. Petersburg and Kolpino demand Putin's resignation. The text of the petition is concise and does not “discredit” anyone. If you are a mundep and want to join, you are welcome. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Archer (Raconteur) Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 1 minute ago, TxRover said: Interesting statement from some Municipal Deputies: First part translates as: “Mundeps demand Putin's resignation Municipal deputies from 18 different districts of Moscow, St. Petersburg and Kolpino demand Putin's resignation. The text of the petition is concise and does not “discredit” anyone. If you are a mundep and want to join, you are welcome. Looks like a lot of defenestration in the planning. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 Very brave possibly, but who do they want to replace him with? I doubt it's anyone who wants to negotiate peace. Here's hoping though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 1 hour ago, Zen Archer (Raconteur) said: Looks like a lot of defenestration in the planning. https://www.facebook.com/places/Glass-Service-in-Moscow-Russia/115085015172389/199562100074695/ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 (edited) Powerful disagreements on Kremlin controlled TV, with subtitles thankfully. Subtexted threats getting thrown around too. Meanwhile George Galloway's boss is staying solid. Edited September 13, 2022 by welshbairn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 6 hours ago, welshbairn said: Very brave possibly, but who do they want to replace him with? I doubt it's anyone who wants to negotiate peace. Here's hoping though. That’s my 2023 Deadpool team sorted. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 Still lots of tweets like this appearing but not much in the way of photographic or video evidence provided for it over the last day or two: Unlike what was unfolding last week so it may only be an imaginary twitter offensive. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurkst Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 5 hours ago, welshbairn said: Powerful disagreements on Kremlin controlled TV, with subtitles thankfully. Subtexted threats getting thrown around too. Meanwhile George Galloway's boss is staying solid. Evil wid. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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