Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Zen Archer (Raconteur)]

6 minutes ago, Dev said:

The Russians have been reported to have kidnapped two further employees at the NPP. Maybe trying to get them to give up operational details?

More likely to remove personnel with expertise.

Edited October 18, 2022 by Zen Archer (Raconteur)

[Priti priti priti Patel]

 

Could be the reason for Wallace legging it to DC. Feel a bit sick tbh.

Edited October 19, 2022 by Priti priti priti Patel

[LongTimeLurker]

4 hours ago, Dev said:

....Given that the NPP needs water to cool the Plant it doesn't seem likely that Ukraine would instigate such damage but the Russians might, and then pitch the blame on Ukraine. This would be a good story to tell the folks home in Russia....

Taking out the dam would completely disrupt Crimea's water supply because the intake to the canal involved lies on the reservoir near Nova Kakhovka so the Russians are not likely to do this. 

The more mundane explanation is that they now expect to lose Kherson city in the days or weeks ahead and it will take time to carry out an orderly evacuation by ferry given the road and rail bridges are severely damaged.

Anyone who has collaborated with the Russian puppet authorties and armed forces and/or has accepted a Russian passport is looking at lengthy jail time once the boys from Kyiv show up.

Edited October 19, 2022 by LongTimeLurker

[Theroadlesstravelled]

Elon Musk is a bam.

[NathanDrake88]

5 hours ago, Priti priti priti Patel said:

 

Could be the reason for Wallace legging it to DC. Feel a bit sick tbh.

Wouldn’t surprise me if there’s a false flag by the west tbh. They’ve got previous 

[ICTChris]

Looking likely that Russian troops are going to withdraw from Kherson city. Comments by the head of the collaborator administration and the overall commander of Russian forces in Ukraine suggest it’s likely. An attack on dams in Kherson is also being spoken of.

[ICTChris]

Surovikin: “Further actions with respect to Kherson will depend on the emerging military-tactical situation, it is not an easy one, and difficult decisions cannot be ruled out”

 

[welshbairn]

 

[welshbairn]

A detailed article on the Russian military perspective, with no attempt to hide the origin of their new kamikaze drones. by the looks of it.

 

https://iz-ru.translate.goog/1412206/andrei-fedorov-bogdan-stepovoi-anton-lavrov/stoianie-na-dnepre-v-minoborony-ne-iskliuchili-priniatiia-neprostykh-reshenii-pod-khersonom?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=sc

[ICTChris]

Seems likely that the civilian evacuation will be used as a human shield for retreating Russian forces on the right bank of the Dnipro. How much coercion is being used to force civilians to evacuate its hard to say.

A relative of mine is a teacher and has a Ukrainian refugee from Kherson in their class, what a situation for a child to be in, in a foreign county thousands of miles away while you home is fought over.

[welshbairn]

 

[welshbairn]

 

[Sergeant Wilson]

33 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

 

Fucking coward!

[welshbairn]

I can't help thinking there's some kind of devious bluff going on here.

 

[Detournement]

He got what he wanted.

[vikingTON]

5 hours ago, Theroadlesstravelled said:

Elon Musk is a bam.

Which points in the article that you clearly read did you disagree with? Perhaps you can start with a reasoned critique of the section below:

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Warping the debate in this way allows delusional and contradictory thinking to go unchallenged. Thus, we get the argument that Putin is a madman who will kill indiscriminately to achieve his aims—but he is also somehow definitely bluffing about using nuclear weapons. And he's only using that bluff because he's losing the war—but if he's not stopped in Ukraine, he will go on to conquer the rest of Europe. Putin's regime must fall because he has killed or jailed all the liberal reformers and yoked himself to a hardline Far Right, but somehow he will be replaced by a liberal reformer when his regime collapses.

It's nonsensical, and a real debate would expose some of the delusions in this thinking. But we aren't allowed to have one.

As long as this woke-neocon alliance is allowed to set the terms of the debate, we will continue to see a one-way ratchet toward greater and more dangerous escalation of this conflict.

 

With the exception of using 'woke' when 'liberal' would clearly suffice, it's a sharper analysis than anything the flag-handle Twitter 'sources' populating this thread have churned out over fully eight months. 

[bennett]

30 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

I can't help thinking there's some kind of devious bluff going on here.

 

Sharks with frickin laser beams on their heads..

[welshbairn]

I suppose they could hold the UN supervised referendums in Poland where much of the electorates have fled to.

 

[Todd_is_God]

12 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

I suppose they could hold the UN supervised referendums in Poland where much of the electorates have fled to.

 

Zelenskyy was happy for proper referendums to be organised and held in return for a ceasefire back in March. That was, of course, before Boris Johnson flew over to have a word, after which he suddenly changed his mind.

[Sweet Pete]

There definitely feels like there's a pro war mood being pushed in the media, not only with Ukraine and Russia, but also where Belarus, Iran, China and Taiwan are concerned. The language is all adjusted to the 'us and them' stance we've seen before other conflicts. There's a certain feeling of inevitability that it won't be long until it's 'we need to send troops'.