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1 hour ago, Andy groundhopper said:

Thanks everyone, I'm am coming up from Bristol after work (31st march) and fly back on Sunday April 9th. Staying in central Glasgow again - usually get in 5 games + over the 8/9 days. Nice holiday for the Mrs - me out of the way 😘

Dalbeattie, midweek is a no go with public transport unless you stay over. Saturday, public transport is no problem, just makes it a long day. I actually know someone in Dalbeattie that had a helicopter, but sold it, couldn't get insured over 70 year old. Best of luck on your travels.

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3 hours ago, Andy groundhopper said:

Thanks everyone, I'm am coming up from Bristol after work (31st march) and fly back on Sunday April 9th. Staying in central Glasgow again - usually get in 5 games + over the 8/9 days. Nice holiday for the Mrs - me out of the way 😘

More than welcome to come down to Lesmahagow JFC v Dalry Thistle at Craighead Stadium WOFSL Div 3. 2pm ko on 1st April.

X74 hourly bus from Buchanan Street bus station, Glasgow. 5 minutes walk from bus stop.

Or wait until following Saturday, Larkhall Thistle v Lesmahagow at Gasworks Park 2pm. Local derby and both going for promotion.

Train straight from Central or Argyle Station to Larkhall every half hour. 5mins walk from station.

Regardless, enjoy your hols.

Apologies for hijacking thread

Fortress Craighead below.

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21 hours ago, superbigal said:

I see this is going well again in the race to the bottom.

https://www.eosfl.com/leaguetables

Shows even more how the pyramid should be ejecting Lowland league clubs at the bottom quicker.

Team this year is mostly made up from middling leafa amateurs and some former whitehill u20s players. 
 

long season ahead. 
 

like most borders teams, they’re a smashing well run club that really struggle to attract quality players. 

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9 hours ago, Ivo den Bieman said:

Sadly looks like they'll be rubbing shoulders with Lochgelly Albert and Harthill Royal at the bottom of the third division by 2025.

VoL were always early round cup stalwarts back in the day but now seem to be sinking faster that Chinese stocks.

Probably a good thing for them and might give them a chance to compete again and rebuild. Hawick aren't doing amazing in the third division but they are competing.  Must be better than getting hammered every week. Eventually, you'll probably have three or four borders sides in the bottom division.

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...and that might encourage Eyemouth, Selkirk, Kelso and Duns to return or give it another go as the case may be turning the third division into a heavily Borders one rather than a West Lothian skewed one.

Not having the last of the junior clubs to join participate in the last year of the conference format two seasons ago was petty and vindictive but eventually clubs will find their natural level. Suspect Whitburn, Syngenta (in the guise of Camelon), Armadale and the club formerly known as Linlithgow Thistle are all headed for the EoS premier in the not too distant future. Far from impossible Bathgate and Fauldhouse could do likewise further down the road if they are able to get their act together again.

If West Lothian and Stirlingshire clubs are heading up somebody has to be heading down and I don't see why anyone who isn't from Innerleithen should be losing any sleep over that if it's Vale of Leithen. Nothing wrong with local derbies against Peebles Rovers and Linton Hotspur, if that turns out to be your natural level in the game.

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1 hour ago, LongTimeLurker said:

...and that might encourage Eyemouth, Selkirk, Kelso and Duns to return or give it another go as the case may be turning the third division into a heavily Borders one rather than a West Lothian skewed one.

Not having the last of the junior clubs to join participate in the last year of the conference format two seasons ago was petty and vindictive but eventually clubs will find their natural level. Suspect Whitburn, Syngenta (in the guise of Camelon), Armadale and the club formerly known as Linlithgow Thistle are all headed for the EoS premier in the not too distant future. Far from impossible Bathgate and Fauldhouse could do likewise further down the road if they are able to get their act together again.

If West Lothian and Stirlingshire clubs are heading up somebody has to be heading down and I don't see why anyone who isn't from Innerleithen should be losing any sleep over that if it's Vale of Leithen. Nothing wrong with local derbies against Peebles Rovers and Linton Hotspur, if that turns out to be your natural level in the game.

Here we go with that same old argument. 

Kelty joined in 2017.

25 more joined in 2018.

Glenrothes and Kinnoull joined in 2019.

8 more joined in 2020.

The remaining West Lothian sides finally joined in 2021. 

 

The EoS ran conferences in 2018-19, 2019-20 and 2020-21. How long were they supposed to wait for the WL sides to join? 

 

Edit: Amazing how you can even find a way to bring the old junior/senior divide into a thread about Vale of Leithen.

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5 minutes ago, stanley said:

Here we go with that same old argument. 

Kelty joined in 2017.

25 more joined in 2018.

Glenrothes and Kinnoull joined in 2019.

8 more joined in 2020.

The remaining West Lothian sides finally joined in 2021. 

 

The EoS ran conferences in 2018-19, 2019-20 and 2020-21. How long were they supposed to wait for the WL sides to join? 

 

Edit: Amazing how you can even find a way to bring the old junior/senior divide into a thread about Vale of Leithen.

But this is all done and dusted isn't it so why have a go when someone states the blindingly obvious about what the EoS failed to do to the last of the Juniors to join. It isn't as though what he said now makes any bleeding difference!

There was no need to "hold back the last of the Juniors" when the EoS had made excellent use of the Conferences system previously. It was an opportunity to bury the hatchets. Don't forget that Conferences were used partly to encourage Junior clubs to join (therefore decimating the Juniors in the East) and partly to get clubs playing as one combined unit in playing divisions which were suited to the strengths of the clubs (which had a very wide range of abilities).

Anyway it's just taking a bit longer for these clubs to find their natural playing levels when that period could have been smaller. End of.

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18 minutes ago, Dev said:

But this is all done and dusted isn't it so why have a go when someone states the blindingly obvious about what the EoS failed to do to the last of the Juniors to join. It isn't as though what he said now makes any bleeding difference!

There was no need to "hold back the last of the Juniors" when the EoS had made excellent use of the Conferences system previously. It was an opportunity to bury the hatchets. Don't forget that Conferences were used partly to encourage Junior clubs to join (therefore decimating the Juniors in the East) and partly to get clubs playing as one combined unit in playing divisions which were suited to the strengths of the clubs (which had a very wide range of abilities).

Anyway it's just taking a bit longer for these clubs to find their natural playing levels when that period could have been smaller. End of.

Like you said, it won't take too long for them to find their natural place in the pyramid with 3/4 promotion spots up for grabs in each league. If good enough, all but one will be out of the third division by the end of next season (and Livingston United still haven't recovered from signing Goodwillie). To be honest, the clubs probably haven't minded having another couple of seasons of local derbies before moving up so I don't think it's worked out too badly. It'll be interesting to see how far they go and what the third division is like in a couple of years time. It would be better for all to focus on the future of the pyramid than regularly throwing out accusations about past actions IMO.

 

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On 31/08/2023 at 00:10, stanley said:

Here we go with that same old argument. 

Kelty joined in 2017.

25 more joined in 2018.

Glenrothes and Kinnoull joined in 2019.

8 more joined in 2020.

The remaining West Lothian sides finally joined in 2021. 

 

The EoS ran conferences in 2018-19, 2019-20 and 2020-21. How long were they supposed to wait for the WL sides to join? ...

What you are neglecting to mention is that the EoS also ran first division conferences in 21-22 after the 20-21 season got scrapped due to COVID. That means that when the last batch of junior clubs did join they easily could have been included in a rejigged set of first division conferences during their first season so that all EoS clubs found their appropriate level a lot more quickly than is currently happening.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021–22_East_of_Scotland_Football_League

If that had been done clubs like Whitburn and Armadale potentially could have been in the EoS premier as quickly as last season. There were plenty of self-interest agendas that would have disrupted though so dump them in a Conference X and only let them in slowly was the name of the day.

 

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