topcat(The most tip top) Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 To be fair to Ric if you look at the All time Scottish Top Flight table St Mirren are 9th v 12th in the table in this thread. In terms of total points accumulated. So they have performed better in the past than the last 20 years. Motherwell are 6th v 5th in this table. Which show our consistency has actually lasted for the past 100 years +. Hibs leapfrog us into 5th in the all time table. Which is hardly surprising. And that as oppose to many of our fans beliefs the last 20 odd years has been a better period than on average for Motherwell FC. I am old enough to have see us play in what was the 1st division. Any supporter under 40 will have no recollection of Motherwell being anything other than a top flight side. I think it is inevitable in my lifetime I will get the chance to watch Motherwell in the lower leagues. Hope not, but we are not a bigger club than the likes of Dundee, Dundee Utd, Hearts and Hibs who have all been relegated this past decade. Just been better managed during this time. The all time table skews in favour of the big 5 (Dumbarton, Rangers, Celtic, Hearts and St Mirren) who were founder members. We had a 4 year start on Motherwell and Dundee United wouldn’t even exist as Dundee Hibernian for another 19 years 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 Dundee United’s position is an absolute embarrassment. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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HarleyQuinn Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, tarapoa said: The hate McInnes and even Calderwood get is ridiculous. We Aberdeen fans are a fickle bunch. Edited May 16, 2022 by HarleyQuinn 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kapowzer Posted May 16, 2022 Author Share Posted May 16, 2022 (edited) Another thing I just noticed, top 6 runs. Aberdeen have an 8 season run, Hearts 7 but from inception, Hibs and St Johnstone 6 (different decades) and Motherwell 5 seasons. Everyone else has yo-yo'd. My own team almost season to season, probably a result of free agents on one year contracts - sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. At least we seem to be trying to remedy this. Evident that the nature of the league and finances involved mean that if someone (player or manager) does well the costs of poaching/dislodging isn't often that high. Whither elsewhere in our own league or down south it is inevitable that the form of the raided team dips as radars alerted due to their prior success. The 2010's was not a good one in the capital for league form. Cups .... different story, Hearts 3 SC, 1 LC finals, 1 SC win. Hibs 4 SC, 2 LC finals and 1 SC win. Edited May 16, 2022 by Kapowzer 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the west curve Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 8 hours ago, Ric said: The split is a farce, an artificially introduced "money spinner" that goes against the idea of a meritocratic league. It’s not for every club. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kapowzer Posted May 16, 2022 Author Share Posted May 16, 2022 6 hours ago, Granny Danger said: Dundee United’s position is an absolute embarrassment. The way your owner runs the club and finances it, not gonna come back and haunt you in the future is it? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kapowzer Posted May 30, 2023 Author Share Posted May 30, 2023 (edited) Updated for 2022/23. Highlights include: St Mirren get top 6 for the first time since the league split was introduced and have the biggest improvement (+0.28*). They could overhaul Dundee next year if they ensure there is a 5 league place difference. The Champions take a whole .01 off their average. Aberdeen improve modestly in the average but massively from last seasons 10th place. Courtesy of the Robson revival post Darvel, a bronze medal and €4.5m UEFA windfall. The best the Arabs can do next season (13th) is 8.46, not allowing their nearest rival in Perth to overtake them even with a league win. HIbs draw level with Motherwell on top 6's (which is madness). FInally, Accies championship playoff and drop means the best they can achieve next season is 23 means they drop 0.24 and an average of just over 16th place. Probably about time to consign them not being worthy of a place. *The Cinch Fan Club's record since their inception in 2012 has improved by a whopping .70 but as their fans and media like to count pre-2012 stuff so it is only 0.15, put those cigars away peepul. Edited May 31, 2023 by Kapowzer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YassinMoutaouakil Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 Can you do "post-split top six games won" next? Thank you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kapowzer Posted May 30, 2023 Author Share Posted May 30, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, YassinMoutaouakil said: Can you do "post-split top six games won" next? Thank you. Ha, you're trying to get the denizens of Paisley out for you with their pitchforks after their internal audit ..... nope and I think that's my last, the changes in averages now we're in year 23 are so minimal that there's no point doing it for 10 years. Edited May 30, 2023 by Kapowzer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim McLean's Ghost Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 @Kapowzer Accies with 3 top 6 finishes? i think not. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kapowzer Posted May 31, 2023 Author Share Posted May 31, 2023 35 minutes ago, Jim McLean's Ghost said: @Kapowzer Accies with 3 top 6 finishes? i think not. Copied down from the one above which didn't have them in order left to right. They got the Livi column. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realmadrid Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 One small error i noted is Livingston finished 6th not 5th in 20/21 They then have a 5-6-7-8 record over the last 4 seasons 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 14 minutes ago, realmadrid said: One small error i noted is Livingston finished 6th not 5th in 20/21 They then have a 5-6-7-8 record over the last 4 seasons 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiviLion Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 37 minutes ago, realmadrid said: One small error i noted is Livingston finished 6th not 5th in 20/21 They then have a 5-6-7-8 record over the last 4 seasons At least we've got 2 more years before worrying about relegation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kapowzer Posted Monday at 01:01 Author Share Posted Monday at 01:01 (edited) On 02/06/2023 at 11:11, LiviLion said: At least we've got 2 more years before worrying about relegation. Well that did not age well. Updated for Season 2023/24. Not much to report on the average league placings, St Mirren get a second top 6 and first Euro qualifying campaign since the 80's, but as they are a modest lot they'll stay classy and keep it on the downlow. Dundee gain their first top 6 and it only took <checks notes> a £2.8m reported loss to fund it. Hearts cement 3rd helped by their Euro group stage money and it has left Motherwell fans ranging that UEFA didn't kick Russia out when they annexed Crimea in 2014 and we were last consistently good. That extra £5m helps hoover up the best of the SPFL's diddy teams to improve the squad depth since they'll have 6? Europa group games while we all play glorified friendlies in the diddy cup. Hearts have also closed the gap to Aberdeen to 13 league places which could result in a new overall second place team by 2027/28ish if the current annual gap continues. Killie are only 7 behind Hibs now. My own team bobs along 4th overall with big enough gaps to Hearts and from Hibs that it shouldn't change much for a while. ICT will be jumped over by Dundee and St Mirren due to the best they can hope for is a 23rd. Next season should be interesting, with favourable Euro draws and getting their shit together early on St Mirren and Killie could have a nice war chest to help fund signings. St Johnstone have new investment, Motherwell could find themselves with that also. Surely Hibs and Aberdeen can't underperform again? Only Accies have now to get a top six on this list but did gain promotion to the Championship. Roll on season 2025/26. Serial bridesmaid's The Cinch Fan Club happy about Cinch ending their deal early but not in bottling the league after Celtic tried their best to bottle it in mid-winter. WTF was the Santa thing all about? Edited Monday at 02:15 by Kapowzer 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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