Booker-T Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 8 hours ago, VincentGuerin said: Maybe a point already made, but can I just say how very much I am enjoying Celtic fans sharing videos of the 2005 Pope BOOOOO at Hampden and 1) Claiming this was not widely reported in the media at the time 2) Using it as an example of free-speech and saying 'I've got no problem with Hearts fans booing', as if this was the stated opinion of ANY Celtic fans at the time whatsoever. Fucking marvelous stuff. I wasn’t on PnB then, but I had no problems with Hearts fans booing that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booker-T Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 7 hours ago, bennett said: They did a great job of embarrassing themselves. Did they, aye? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 Technically, the monarchy isn’t politics but I agree that it’s being forced on people and that’s not right. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Other Foot Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 1 hour ago, TheScarf said: Technically, the monarchy isn’t politics Isn’t it? Given that the UK is a constitutional monarchy, I’ve always thought the monarchy was integral to the political apparatus. But then maybe my definition of ‘politics’ is a bit wide. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoF Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 1 hour ago, TheScarf said: Technically, the monarchy isn’t politics You’re gonna need to explain this one… 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJFCtheTeamForMe Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 2 hours ago, TheScarf said: Technically, the monarchy isn’t politics but I agree that it’s being forced on people and that’s not right. They're so non political they've managed to influence hundreds of UK laws to make themselves exempt including Money Laundering, Data Protection and Equality related laws. Impressive. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 2 hours ago, TheScarf said: Technically, the monarchy isn’t politics but I agree that it’s being forced on people and that’s not right. It’s absolutely politics, no question about it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durnford Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 3 hours ago, TheScarf said: Technically, the monarchy isn’t politics but I agree that it’s being forced on people and that’s not right. Actually TheScarf is correct here. The monarchy are part of the constitution of government; they are not allowed (theoretically) to be part of party politics (politically neutral) although, i believe, the monarch's partner/consort are not obliged to comply with that other than by tradition. Even the monarch's speech at the annual opening of parliament are written by the ruling party. As far as I am aware the last time royal assent was not granted was at the time of Queen Anne - something to do with raising a Scottish Militia to defend the country against the French. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VincentGuerin Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 5 minutes ago, Durnford said: Actually TheScarf is correct here. The monarchy are part of the constitution of government; they are not allowed (theoretically) to be part of party politics (politically neutral) although, i believe, the monarch's partner/consort are not obliged to comply with that other than by tradition. Even the monarch's speech at the annual opening of parliament are written by the ruling party. As far as I am aware the last time royal assent was not granted was at the time of Queen Anne - something to do with raising a Scottish Militia to defend the country against the French. So, the constitution is not under the umbrella of 'politics' then? That'll be news to a few academics, journalists, politicians around the world. Not involved in party politics, fair enough. But politics involves a lot more than party politics, and a monarchy is 100% inextricably political. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 5 minutes ago, VincentGuerin said: So, the constitution is not under the umbrella of 'politics' then? That'll be news to a few academics, journalists, politicians around the world. Not involved in party politics, fair enough. But politics involves a lot more than party politics, and a monarchy is 100% inextricably political. Precisely. To claim the monarchy is apolitical based on some constitutional technicalities is clearly wrong. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durnford Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 11 minutes ago, Dons_1988 said: Precisely. To claim the monarchy is apolitical based on some constitutional technicalities is clearly wrong. More to the point, for the last 300 years or so, the monarch has only acted as directed by the Prime Minister of the time. That being the case is there any point to a constitutional monarchy in the modern age other than holding the commonwealth together and that argument is getting more and more watered down with each country declaring itself a republic. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parxyz Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 *screams internally* 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 10 minutes ago, parxyz said: *screams internally* I really hope that the boos are far louder than the applause and that the whole thing is forced to be cut short. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stressball Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 17 minutes ago, parxyz said: *screams internally* It’s all getting a bit totalitarian isn’t it? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 15 minutes ago, parxyz said: *screams internally* I hope that those who don't want to take part will be mindful of the occasion and be respectful enough to let those who do want to Boo do so without condemnation ridicule or reproach. 15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stressball Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 1 minute ago, williemillersmoustache said: I hope that those who don't want to take part will be mindful of the occasion and be respectful enough to let those who do want to Boo do so without condemnation ridicule or reproach. It’s fine the biggest whingers don’t support or watch Scotland play these days. It’s also worth noting the national mourning is over… 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dundee Hibernian Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 14 minutes ago, parxyz said: *screams internally* You've got to feel for the group of fans who had their match at Pittodrie put off following the death, then twice had tributes at their own ground to put up with, and now this. Maybe they'll get another silence at Tynecastle in couple of week. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugster Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 f**k the SFA 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 34 minutes ago, parxyz said: *screams internally* 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gannonball Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 I try to stay away from the whole paranoia stuff but the SFA acting staunch af over stuff like this is pretty ridiculous 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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