National Conference League

[welshbairn]

8 minutes ago, Greenmachine said:

I’d imagine they’ll already have enough support to get it through or they’d have ditched it.

The status quo with 1 relegation place from the LL is worse than the conference league option for clubs south of the Tay!

I'm not surprised that somebody continually insisting that IT'S A DONE DEAL turns out to be in favour of dumping all the leagues below the SPFL down a tier to make room for the Old Firm kiddies.

[Greenmachine]

1 minute ago, approximately dave said:

What is the majority required?

I've read talk of all it needs is a 51% in favour instead of the usual 75%

Not even considering keeping the current set up as an option.

Someone is stacking the decks or is this gaslighting?

I await for the bullying to start.

The current set up is awful!

1 promotion place from 3 leagues is laughable.

[highlandmac]

1 hour ago, welshbairn said:

North Caley President is not impressed.

 

The NCL is a really well run league, they should just withdraw from a pyramid that so far has given them nothing but hassle(fort Williams temper tantrums preseason)&go their own way

[bobbydazzler]

4 minutes ago, Greenmachine said:

The current set up is awful!

1 promotion place from 3 leagues is laughable.

looks to be fine this season tbf. 

[welshbairn]

2 minutes ago, approximately dave said:

What is the majority required?

I've read talk of all it needs is a 51% in favour instead of the usual 75%

Not even considering keeping the current set up as an option.

Someone is stacking the decks or is this gaslighting?

I await for the bullying to start.

The 75% is for an SPFL vote, the SFA AGM is 51%. So far the leagues haven't been given a status quo option, only shit and shittier. I doubt they'll be able to do that at the AGM, but if so, what would happen if a load of clubs refuse to vote, does there have to be a minimum quorum?

[Greenmachine]

6 minutes ago, bobbydazzler said:

looks to be fine this season tbf. 

Not a fan of a club in the West,East or South leagues then!

[FairWeatherFan]

21 minutes ago, approximately dave said:

Its interesting that much of the restructuring of the leagues including the speed in which the pyramid was set up happened post 2012 when Rangers died

2011 SFA AGM they voted through some of the proposals from the McLeish report. This included streamlining the SFA Board and creation of the Professional Game Board who's job it was to put together the pyramid and deal with everything.

Quote

League Restructuring and a Pyramid Structure for Scottish Football

At its meeting on 29th September,2011, the Professional Game Board agreed a five point plan to formally develop proposals for League restructuring: -

• The merger of the Scottish Premier League and Scottish Football League to create a single league structure

• An all through distribution model covering all 42 league clubs

• The creation of an additional relegation / promotion place between the top division and the division below it

• Enhanced parachute payments to soften the financial blow of relegation for clubs relegated out of the top division

• A 'pyramid structure' that will open up access to SFL Division Three from below

Subsequent discussion by the Scottish FA Board of Directors, related to point 5 above, has reached broad consensus on the following "pyramid principles" -

 

• The creation of a new Scottish FA "Highland" and "Lowland" Super League structure immediately below the SFL Third Division, comprising clubs from the existing structures of Scottish Highland Football League, East of Scotland League, South of Scotland League and Scottish Junior FA

• Maintenance of the existing SHFL, ESL, SSL and SJFA League structures, immediately below the dual Super Leagues, with provision for existing Leagues to open membership to clubs within the Scottish Amateur FA

• Promotion and relegation based upon sporting merit and the achievement of "club" standards as defined by National Club Licensing and the Scottish FA Quality Mark system

ln order to formally progress the development of the key principles above, the Professional Game Board is requested to approve the following actions: -

 

• The commencement of formal consultation between the Scottish FA, SPL, SFL, Scottish Highland Football League, the East of Scotland League, the South of Scotland League and Scottish Junior FA regarding the composition and launch of a new dual "Super League" structure with effect from season 2014-15 (with club applications being sought from 2013-14)

• An internal review of the National Club Licensing and Scottish FA Quality Mark services and resource supporting the proposed pyramid structure

• The completion of a signed "Memorandum of Understanding" by all relevant League bodies and stakeholders giving formal commitment to the agreed principles of the new Pyramid Structure for Scottish Football

Stewart M. Regan
Chief Executive
October,2011

 

Rangers going under just allowed them to push the ideas through. Otherwise we all know it would have stalled through self-interest.

[bobbydazzler]

7 minutes ago, Greenmachine said:

Not a fan of a club in the West,East or South leagues then!

only one league has a licensed champion

[Footballfirst]

The formation of a new league body does come under the authority of the SFA.  It is covered in Article 18 of the SFA's Articles of Association.

Other leagues (e.g. SPFL, LL etc) can form their own new leagues, but subject to the overriding approval of the SFA.

Interestingly, there is no mention of "pyramid" in the SFA's AoA.

 

18.2 would appear to give the SFA the authority to insert a league into the pyramid at any level/grade appropriate to the clubs and players participating.

 

[Guest]

B teams are being invited to take part, alongside a selection of sides from the Highland and/or Lowland League, should they be interested

Took this from VT's post re the Morton FC statement to their fan trust thingy.

It suggests to me that if either or both HL/LL decline to participate they intend to go ahead with this Conference debacle. I have thought for a wee bit that the teams outside the weans will be by invite or application and that these clubs will have to meet certain criteria 're ground facilities etc.

The more I read the more I am convinced this is their intention.

Pyramid is fecked if this conference shite comes to fruition.

 

Edited May 3, 2023 by HorseyGhirl

[welshbairn]

21 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:

The formation of a new league body does come under the authority of the SFA.  It is covered in Article 18 of the SFA's Articles of Association.

Other leagues (e.g. SPFL, LL etc) can form their own new leagues, but subject to the overriding approval of the SFA.

Interestingly, there is no mention of "pyramid" in the SFA's AoA.

 

18.2 would appear to give the SFA the authority to insert a league into the pyramid at any level/grade appropriate to the clubs and players participating.

 

'normally be expected to participate in that grade of football' would not include B-teams and invited guests forming a brand new league between the SPFL and the Highland and Lowland Leagues, I would move to suggest m'lud.. 

Edited May 3, 2023 by welshbairn

[Footballfirst]

12 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

'normally be expected to participate in that grade of football' would not include B-teams and invited guests forming a brand new league between the SPFL and the Highland and Lowland Leagues, I would move to suggest m'lud.. 

Au contraire m'lud, I'd suggest that "Conference League Limited", having secured the participation of six prominent sides from the top of the LL and HL (on the promise of £50k a year for their services) and the commitment of four top SPFL sides to finance the league for 5 years (in return for the participation of their B teams) qualifies them to be inserted at a level in the pyramid between the SPFL and HL/LL.

I dearly hope that enough clubs and other fans expressed rejection of the proposal is enough to stop it in its tracks.

Edited May 3, 2023 by Footballfirst

[CityDave94]

1 hour ago, Greenmachine said:

The current set up is awful!

1 promotion place from 3 leagues is laughable.

Agreed the current set up is awful but it doesn't explain this incoming shitshow.

In fact I have yet to hear or read a valid reason for this Conference being inserted at L5.

[kingbob1875]

45 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:

The formation of a new league body does come under the authority of the SFA.  It is covered in Article 18 of the SFA's Articles of Association.

Other leagues (e.g. SPFL, LL etc) can form their new leagues, but subject to the overriding approval of the SFA.

Interestingly, there is no mention of "pyramid" in the SFA's AoA.

 

18.2 would appear to give the SFA the authority to insert a league into the pyramid at any level/grade appropriate to the clubs and players participating.

 

They would have a hard time arguing it was 'appropriate' if the members voted against it.

[Spyro]

At least the SFA will get some of their bribe money back when they block any unlicensed tier 6 champions bring able to participate in the Scottish Cup as they'll now be tier 7. 

No more appearances from clubs like Beith, Carnoustie, Downfield, Invergordon, Loch Ness, Culter, etc will save them a few quid on appearance money...

[welshbairn]

57 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:

Au contraire m'lud, I'd suggest that "Conference League Limited", having secured the participation of six prominent sides from the top of the LL and HL (on the promise of £50k a year for their services) and the commitment of four top SPFL sides to finance the league for 5 years (in return for the participation of their B teams) qualifies them to be inserted at a level in the pyramid between the SPFL and HL/LL.

I dearly hope that enough clubs and other fans expressed rejection of the proposal is enough to stop it in its tracks.

The suitable grade for B-teams is the Reserve League. 

[Burnieman]

2 hours ago, Greenmachine said:

Pretty much what I’ve heard.

They will just shove it through.

You're just trolling now.

[Burnieman]

1 hour ago, Footballfirst said:

The formation of a new league body does come under the authority of the SFA.  It is covered in Article 18 of the SFA's Articles of Association.

Other leagues (e.g. SPFL, LL etc) can form their own new leagues, but subject to the overriding approval of the SFA.

Interestingly, there is no mention of "pyramid" in the SFA's AoA.

 

18.2 would appear to give the SFA the authority to insert a league into the pyramid at any level/grade appropriate to the clubs and players participating.

 

"An Affiliated Association" eg. SJFA, SWFA, SAFA, it's giving them the power to set-up new leagues/divisions under their jurisdiction without the need to seek permission of the SFA [but the SFA reserve the right to intervene].  I very much doubt the SJFA needed to seek permission from the SFA when the structure was overhauled in 2002, or when the ERJFA subsequently overhauled their structure.

Edited May 3, 2023 by Burnieman

[Footballfirst]

6 minutes ago, Burnieman said:

"An Affiliated Association" eg. SJFA, SWFA, SAFA, it's giving them the power to set-up new leagues/divisions under their jurisdiction without the need to seek permission of the SFA [but the SFA reserve the right to intervene].  I very much doubt the SJFA needed to seek permission from the SFA when the structure was overhauled in 2002, or when the ERJFA subsequently overhauled their structure.

I'm sure it would have been a rubber stamp job from the SFA if they weren't being asked to provide any resources, e.g. for disciplinary activities or additional referees.

[Dev]

2 hours ago, Greenmachine said:

The current set up is awful!

1 promotion place from 3 leagues is laughable.

ZZZZZZZZZ. Can't you come up with something more amusing than that?