FairWeatherFan Posted May 13, 2023 Share Posted May 13, 2023 1 minute ago, welshbairn said: Alongside the HL/LL champion and runner up? Loser of Club 42 Playoff Loser of HL/LL Champion Playoff 2nd in HL 2nd In LL 3rd in LL 4th in LL Celtic B Rangers B Hearts B B team 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CityDave94 Posted May 13, 2023 Share Posted May 13, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Sparticus said: That’s just awful. It’s actually that bad that the clubs cannot vote for it. Get them in a proper reserve league. Any of two Aberdeen/hearts bs will always finish bottom two. The best Rangers and Celtic b players(who might get to paint the first team bench one day and get a ticket for a Scotland game) would be far better being loaned to championship/low premier teams for max development. This is a farce and b teams would ruin the pyramid. Are the old firm actually running the show? And the pressure and fear of failure among the six other clubs in the Conference would be massive, huge pressure on non B teams to succeed. A league of 6 pretending to be 10, the League of death............might put a few clubs off making the jump up especially if they also need to spend even more on any new criteria. Might not provide the safety net for the relegated club 42 either. The only teams this suits and can work for is the B teams as they won't be under any pressure unless against other B teams for bragging rights and will have the space and luxury to ahem 'develop' players where as the likes of Tranent or Linlithgow won't. Celtic and Rangers like having elite ten team leagues, they like raising the bar on criteria. They have previous for this in recent memory. They like being the gatekeepers to prevent other clubs from growing, they like that power and won't share. Scottish football is being ruined right in front of us. Edited May 13, 2023 by approximately dave 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morrison Posted May 13, 2023 Share Posted May 13, 2023 'Details' on the proposals here and a few more if you jump on the their feed: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morrison Posted May 13, 2023 Share Posted May 13, 2023 I'm not even sure why HL clubs would go for this. Who gets to decide only 2 of their clubs get the privilege of remaining at T5, when 4 LL clubs do? Are they not the same level? Playoffs at least? No direct promotion either; another effing playoff. Piss poor stuff. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted May 13, 2023 Share Posted May 13, 2023 7 minutes ago, morrison said: I'm not even sure why HL clubs would go for this. Who gets to decide only 2 of their clubs get the privilege of remaining at T5, when 4 LL clubs do? Are they not the same level? Playoffs at least? No direct promotion either; another effing playoff. Piss poor stuff. A decent number have already come out against. Only pros would be that they lose two teams and go to 16. Fewer midweek games. League Cup doesn't need byes. For those that don't find it attractive to go national there's still the escape route of failing at the playoff stage. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted May 13, 2023 Share Posted May 13, 2023 26 minutes ago, morrison said: 'Details' on the proposals here and a few more if you jump on the their feed: Pages 1-4 can be found here. As expected it's the usual game of B team bingo. They're daft enough to include Brentford B as an example. A club that doesn't play in an organised league. So why don't the Scottish B teams go do that since it's such a brilliant example? Also had a chuckle at Callum McGregor being used since his 37 first team appearances before 21 came from being on-loan at Notts County. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spyro Posted May 13, 2023 Share Posted May 13, 2023 33 minutes ago, morrison said: I'm not even sure why HL clubs would go for this. Who gets to decide only 2 of their clubs get the privilege of remaining at T5, when 4 LL clubs do? Are they not the same level? Think they would also probably lose their voting rights by dropping down to Tier 6 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdinburghBlue Posted May 13, 2023 Share Posted May 13, 2023 Hearing depressing gossip that the League Two teams who would fall into the Lowland League are going to support this bilge. This is not because of any particular love for the concept of B teams - although they feel that 16 home games a season against B teams would be more attractive than some potential LL games - but rather because the LL is such a poor league. There is little/no sponsorship/prize money, requiring a dramatic reduction in budgets. Many games are unattractive - University clubs, Caledonian Braves etc, and the league lacks decent clubs from the west. One argument is that a genuine English-style pyramid would allow clubs to go up and down while surviving, but that the LL is so flawed that relegation is a one-way trapdoor. The Conference League will allow an easier way back. Seems to me this is an argument for sorting out League Two, the Lowland League and promotion/relegation rather than setting up a Conference League. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morrison Posted May 13, 2023 Share Posted May 13, 2023 18 minutes ago, Spyro said: Think they would also probably lose their voting rights by dropping down to Tier 6 The voting rights won't be affected in fairness - I'm sure I read they're upheld. So in theory that gives 6 more clubs (or 4 if the HL didn't replace clubs?) a vote. Still not worth it. And what happens at the end of the 5th 'guaranteed' year of B team financing? One of them decides to pull out, and the money's gone? They're suddenly allowed to be promoted, so the funding's gone? We're left with a 10-team league with no crumb between them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsforlife Posted May 13, 2023 Share Posted May 13, 2023 21 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said: Pages 1-4 can be found here. As expected it's the usual game of B team bingo. They're daft enough to include Brentford B as an example. A club that doesn't play in an organised league. So why don't the Scottish B teams go do that since it's such a brilliant example? Also had a chuckle at Callum McGregor being used since his 37 first team appearances before 21 came from being on-loan at Notts County. That’s incredible, mentions that teams like Barcelona , Real Madrid and Bayern Munich feature prominently in influencing youth development and imply that’s because they have B teams and not you know, the small factor of being them being the biggest and richest teams in world football, can’t see how that helps. Also the mentions that few u17s internationals make it as pros, yea duh, that’s normal and you can pick just about any country in the world across many sports and it will prove true nearly every single time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowdenbeath Posted May 13, 2023 Share Posted May 13, 2023 4 hours ago, berwick-the-unbeatable said: If that is the case it feels like a deliberately shite part of the terms that they know they would never get by LL clubs - but that they can 'negotiate on' to make clubs feel like they're getting something when actually nothing is really changing and clubs aren't getting anything they don't already have. Needs punted outright. Could be badly worded by whoever wrote it but that's how it looks. As you say needs punted its just a copy of the old C division after the war. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted May 13, 2023 Share Posted May 13, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, EdinburghBlue said: The Conference League will allow an easier way back. I'm not sure that what would effectively be a season long round robin play off against the top LL and HL teams, along with random games against colt teams whose top players could be present or away playing in a tournament somewhere, and even if they won would still have to play off against club 42, would be an easier place to return from. If they're truly concerned about that they should open up movement between tier 4 and 5. Edited May 13, 2023 by welshbairn 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forfarton Posted May 13, 2023 Share Posted May 13, 2023 4 hours ago, FairWeatherFan said: Loser of Club 42 Playoff Loser of HL/LL Champion Playoff 2nd in HL 2nd In LL 3rd in LL 4th in LL Celtic B Rangers B Hearts B B team Imagine if Brora finished 2nd in HL and the HL champion got promoted to League 2 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted May 13, 2023 Share Posted May 13, 2023 Looking at the full proposal, there are a couple of scenarios that are just crap for teams in the Conference League. You can finish 5th, but still get promoted by beating club 42 in a play-off. You can also finish 5th and still get relegated, should you lose a play off to the loser of the HL/LL playoff. 6th place can also be automatically relegated in that scenario. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingbob1875 Posted May 13, 2023 Share Posted May 13, 2023 12 hours ago, FairWeatherFan said: Celtic, Rangers and Hearts have fielded colts teams in the Lowland League this season and last term and are said to have reported a positive impact on player development as a result. Amazingly rigorous process they have. We asked a few clubs with a vested interest and they told us it's a good idea. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redcar Posted May 13, 2023 Share Posted May 13, 2023 Monkey tennis? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 13, 2023 Share Posted May 13, 2023 12 hours ago, cowdenbeath said: What a pile of shite. For a start it looks like club 42 is safe next season, as for the youth focused professional league wouldn't a reserve league be the same thing. No one needs to add to this. As succinctly put as it ever could be. Perfect response. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowdenbeath Posted May 14, 2023 Share Posted May 14, 2023 8 hours ago, HorseyGhirl said: No one needs to add to this. As succinctly put as it ever could be. Perfect response. Thanks you’ll get lynched on here for being positive about a Cowden fans post 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 14, 2023 Share Posted May 14, 2023 35 minutes ago, cowdenbeath said: Thanks you’ll get lynched on here for being positive about a Cowden fans post You know me I don't follow the crowd. I'm too stupid. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CityDave94 Posted May 14, 2023 Share Posted May 14, 2023 What would happen if they cannot find a fourth B Team? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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