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1 hour ago, Gladstone said:

It would not work: the DFB Pokal only allows 64 clubs total: even more restrictive than Scotland.  No club below tier 3 and only four even of those get in automatically: remainder go to wnners of 21 regional cups+ 3 wild  Scotland does not  have  nor needs  that sort of regioonal structure.

I was more leaning towards the everyone in from R1 and teams outside of the top 2 divisions always getting home advantage when drawn against a club from the top 2 divisions.

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4 hours ago, Todd_is_God said:

I was more leaning towards the everyone in from R1 and teams outside of the top 2 divisions always getting home advantage when drawn against a club from the top 2 divisions.

Ah.  Something like this also at some stage in the French Cup I .think and which has far more entrants and rounds

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2 hours ago, Gladstone said:

Ah.  Something like this also at some stage in the French Cup I .think and which has far more entrants and rounds

I checked this. French Cup allows all clubs all levels including amateur. Fourteen rounds total.  Open  draw all rounds  but starts regional:  higher division clubs enter ptogressively. But if a club is drawn against another 2+ divisions lower the lower club gets home advantage regardless.

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On 27/05/2024 at 09:52, Todd_is_God said:

Personally I really like the DFB Pokal format, but I don't know how workable that would be here.

Very Workable. 

Have 42 teams all into the last 64 and have 22 teams from regional cups (semi finalists?)

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On 29/05/2024 at 11:56, mrman2011 said:

Very Workable. 

Have 42 teams all into the last 64 and have 22 teams from regional cups (semi finalists?)

What regional cups? We don't have them the same way Germany does. Certainly not to produce 22 semifinalists.  Decades  ago there was  something like it;...the Scottish Qualifying Cup, much inferior to what we have now. We would lose ,many good HL/LL and lower clubs who now qualify auto.matically.

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On 28/05/2024 at 19:02, Gladstone said:

I checked this. French Cup allows all clubs all levels including amateur. Fourteen rounds total.  Open  draw all rounds  but starts regional:  higher division clubs enter ptogressively. But if a club is drawn against another 2+ divisions lower the lower club gets home advantage regardless.

They also have teams from overseas departments and territories (Guadeloupe, French Guiana, Martinique, Mayotte, New Caledonia, Tahiti, Réunion and Saint Pierre and Miquelon) they start entering at round 7 

Whether we'd want to invite teams from the Cayman Islands or Falklands is another question

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31 minutes ago, topcat(The most tip top) said:

They also have teams from overseas departments and territories (Guadeloupe, French Guiana, Martinique, Mayotte, New Caledonia, Tahiti, Réunion and Saint Pierre and Miquelon) they start entering at round 7 

Whether we'd want to invite teams from the Cayman Islands or Falklands is another question

Nova Scotia Shirley? And any teams in places in the colonies with Scottish names. Perth Glory v Auchinleck Talbot in Round 8 would be a definite TV pick. Especially with a trip to Lokomotiv Moscow in the following round up for grabs.

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18 minutes ago, Ranaldo Bairn said:

Nova Scotia Shirley? And any teams in places in the colonies with Scottish names. Perth Glory v Auchinleck Talbot in Round 8 would be a definite TV pick. Especially with a trip to Lokomotiv Moscow in the following round up for grabs.

I like your thinking we'd probably have to coordinate with the French FA so that the team from Nouvelle Caledonie could play both competitions

The Falklanders are invited either way

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On 17/06/2024 at 10:49, topcat(The most tip top) said:

They also have teams from overseas departments and territories (Guadeloupe, French Guiana, Martinique, Mayotte, New Caledonia, Tahiti, Réunion and Saint Pierre and Miquelon) they start entering at round 7 

Whether we'd want to invite teams from the Cayman Islands or Falklands is another question

Yes but these overseas deoartments are  technically part of France. They vote in French elections for instance,. Cayman Islands, Falklands etc  are not part of UK in same way.

 

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10 hours ago, Gladstone said:

Yes but these overseas deoartments are  technically part of France. They vote in French elections for instance,. Cayman Islands, Falklands etc  are not part of UK in same way.

 

Not all of them, that is true for many areas, the "overseas regions" like French Guyana that are integral parts of France. As you say, they vote in elections, they are part of the EU, in every way they are just France, only quite some way away. But there are also the "overseas collectivities" which are like British Overseas Territories. They mainly run themselves with a lot looser ties to mainland France compared to the overseas regions. Some of them are members of FIFA and their regional federation in their own right. One example of that is Tahiti (French Polynesia), yet they still have clubs in the French Cup.

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10 hours ago, Gladstone said:

Yes but these overseas departments are  technically part of France. They vote in French elections for instance,. Cayman Islands, Falklands etc  are not part of UK in same way.

More pertinently they've got sponsors to cover the enormous travel costs.

 

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you can't have all in at round 1.  the numbers don't work

 

You need to start off at 128  to end up with 2, so there will always be byes and pre qualifiers 

You could have the pre qulaifiers as such so that no team starts later than round 1 (128) and that gives 7 games to win the trphy.  at present the top 16 ranked teams go in at round 4 and have only 5 games if they reach the final, and it is almost always 2 of those teams in the final.

All of this is pie in the sky of course,  the old firm won't entertain their players risking injury against fort william in September

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All-in sounds nice, but would it really be desirable to have the likes of Coldstream, Fort William and Wigtown&Bladnoch face top Premiership teams? All three had double figure defeats against non-league sides in the last three seasons, W&B even twice. Having them face the "big guns" would result in absolutely massive scorlines.

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On 12/02/2024 at 14:49, JS_FFC said:

Has anyone suggested just making it a two team tournament between Rangers and Celtic yet? ...

... but, but ... that's effectively what the present League, League Cup and Scottish Cup already are.

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