Dunning1874 Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 30 minutes ago, Kenny_m said: Please, please mate, this nonsense is exclusive to old firm fans. I'm not claiming referees are cheating or deliberately out to get Morton, and will join you in laughing at anyone who does. I'm saying that referees, particularly at this level after the introduction of VAR which saw a load of weak young referees who didn't have the experience to step up propelled to too high a level too soon, get caught up in narratives and subconsciously referee games through that prism. Remember the Spain v Scotland game in October? Discounting the disallowed goal, that was clearly a referee who like every other one had no intention of leaning one way, but had clearly turned up with a narrative in his head of a big physical Scotland team and tiki-taka Spain team. He didn't have a dastardly plan to book Nathan Patterson for running alongside Bryan Zaragoza committing no foul or not even award a freekick for Dani Carvajal committing a cynical body check on John McGinn on the edge of the box which was an obvious booking because he wanted Spain to win, he did those things because he was too caught up in the narrative in his own head. Scotland are big cloggers and Spain aren't, so maybe that body check by a Spaniard was just a collision, I'll let it go, while that slight contact on the arm while running alongside each other must have been a cynical tug, I need to stay on top of this physical side. It was an entirely subconscious process of bad refereeing rather than biased refereeing but it led to the teams being refereed differently. These are the same narratives that lead to Morton having such a huge number of bookings compared to the rest of the division. Striker has gone down holding his head after the centre back has apparently cleanly won a header? They're the big Morton cloggers, best assume it was a foul and booking. Exact same thing happens at the other end 5 minutes later? It's the big lump Oakley, it was probably six and half a dozen. We're absolutely not being done in giving away so many fouls and receiving lots of bookings, we do play a high pressing game and try to play for second balls which is inevitably going to lead to more niggly games with lots of 50/50 balls leading to late challenges. We also have Alan Power, who is the most booked player in the league and probably deserves to be, as well as Kirk Broadfoot, who's been lucky some of his yellows haven't turned into reds a couple of times. They're a pair of shitehouses, our reputation is not without merit. We also frequently benefit from terrible refereeing decisions like everyone else, we were given an absolutely nonsense penalty just two weeks ago. What that reputation does mean though is that referees are far quicker to bring the cards out because they go into games with the narrative in their head that they need to look out for Morton fouling. Being the most carded team in the division is not a surprise but it also means Morton players get bookings for things that we'll then see opposition players do five minutes later with no card, and that explains why there's such a huge gap from us to Queen's Park, who clog us off the park every time we play them. With that in mind, that's why we can argue without descending into tinfoil hat territory that if a Morton player had deliberately elbowed someone in the head in midair after 2 minutes, then even if they'd escaped with a booking at the time as ATS did at Cappielow, it's highly unlikely they'd then have gotten away with later deliberately kneeing someone in the ribs so hard it tore a muscle without even being penalised. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhys McCabe Hype Train Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 36 minutes ago, Dunning1874 said: With that in mind, that's why we can argue without descending into tinfoil hat territory Well you’ve failed definitively on that point. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunning1874 Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 Away from this undeniably tedious discussion I wasted several paragraphs on, Bearne has to start. Concerned Imrie talking about him not lasting 90 minutes might mean he's being dropped, but we really need that natural width. It's not a coincidence that our only goals against Airdrie came with two proper wingers on the park to stretch them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny_m Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 Just now, Dunning1874 said: Away from this undeniably tedious discussion I wasted several paragraphs on Morton fans did start this tedious guff, but happy if it's never mentioned again. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madton Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 Sounds like Iain Wilson will be back in the squad tomorrow. Having him, Oakley and Quitongo back fit for the run in is a massive boost. Anyone heard anything on Strapp? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The red diamond Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 5 hours ago, Dunning1874 said: I'm not claiming referees are cheating or deliberately out to get Morton, and will join you in laughing at anyone who does. I'm saying that referees, particularly at this level after the introduction of VAR which saw a load of weak young referees who didn't have the experience to step up propelled to too high a level too soon, get caught up in narratives and subconsciously referee games through that prism. Remember the Spain v Scotland game in October? Discounting the disallowed goal, that was clearly a referee who like every other one had no intention of leaning one way, but had clearly turned up with a narrative in his head of a big physical Scotland team and tiki-taka Spain team. He didn't have a dastardly plan to book Nathan Patterson for running alongside Bryan Zaragoza committing no foul or not even award a freekick for Dani Carvajal committing a cynical body check on John McGinn on the edge of the box which was an obvious booking because he wanted Spain to win, he did those things because he was too caught up in the narrative in his own head. Scotland are big cloggers and Spain aren't, so maybe that body check by a Spaniard was just a collision, I'll let it go, while that slight contact on the arm while running alongside each other must have been a cynical tug, I need to stay on top of this physical side. It was an entirely subconscious process of bad refereeing rather than biased refereeing but it led to the teams being refereed differently. These are the same narratives that lead to Morton having such a huge number of bookings compared to the rest of the division. Striker has gone down holding his head after the centre back has apparently cleanly won a header? They're the big Morton cloggers, best assume it was a foul and booking. Exact same thing happens at the other end 5 minutes later? It's the big lump Oakley, it was probably six and half a dozen. We're absolutely not being done in giving away so many fouls and receiving lots of bookings, we do play a high pressing game and try to play for second balls which is inevitably going to lead to more niggly games with lots of 50/50 balls leading to late challenges. We also have Alan Power, who is the most booked player in the league and probably deserves to be, as well as Kirk Broadfoot, who's been lucky some of his yellows haven't turned into reds a couple of times. They're a pair of shitehouses, our reputation is not without merit. We also frequently benefit from terrible refereeing decisions like everyone else, we were given an absolutely nonsense penalty just two weeks ago. What that reputation does mean though is that referees are far quicker to bring the cards out because they go into games with the narrative in their head that they need to look out for Morton fouling. Being the most carded team in the division is not a surprise but it also means Morton players get bookings for things that we'll then see opposition players do five minutes later with no card, and that explains why there's such a huge gap from us to Queen's Park, who clog us off the park every time we play them. With that in mind, that's why we can argue without descending into tinfoil hat territory that if a Morton player had deliberately elbowed someone in the head in midair after 2 minutes, then even if they'd escaped with a booking at the time as ATS did at Cappielow, it's highly unlikely they'd then have gotten away with later deliberately kneeing someone in the ribs so hard it tore a muscle without even being penalised. Just make sure Dougie has his toilet roll in the dugout incase he shits himself again. Going 3-1 Airdrie tomorrow, and a couple of red cards for the Greenock thugs -5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
??? Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 10 hours ago, Dunning1874 said: I'm not claiming referees are cheating or deliberately out to get Morton, and will join you in laughing at anyone who does. I'm saying that referees, particularly at this level after the introduction of VAR which saw a load of weak young referees who didn't have the experience to step up propelled to too high a level too soon, get caught up in narratives and subconsciously referee games through that prism. Remember the Spain v Scotland game in October? Discounting the disallowed goal, that was clearly a referee who like every other one had no intention of leaning one way, but had clearly turned up with a narrative in his head of a big physical Scotland team and tiki-taka Spain team. He didn't have a dastardly plan to book Nathan Patterson for running alongside Bryan Zaragoza committing no foul or not even award a freekick for Dani Carvajal committing a cynical body check on John McGinn on the edge of the box which was an obvious booking because he wanted Spain to win, he did those things because he was too caught up in the narrative in his own head. Scotland are big cloggers and Spain aren't, so maybe that body check by a Spaniard was just a collision, I'll let it go, while that slight contact on the arm while running alongside each other must have been a cynical tug, I need to stay on top of this physical side. It was an entirely subconscious process of bad refereeing rather than biased refereeing but it led to the teams being refereed differently. These are the same narratives that lead to Morton having such a huge number of bookings compared to the rest of the division. Striker has gone down holding his head after the centre back has apparently cleanly won a header? They're the big Morton cloggers, best assume it was a foul and booking. Exact same thing happens at the other end 5 minutes later? It's the big lump Oakley, it was probably six and half a dozen. We're absolutely not being done in giving away so many fouls and receiving lots of bookings, we do play a high pressing game and try to play for second balls which is inevitably going to lead to more niggly games with lots of 50/50 balls leading to late challenges. We also have Alan Power, who is the most booked player in the league and probably deserves to be, as well as Kirk Broadfoot, who's been lucky some of his yellows haven't turned into reds a couple of times. They're a pair of shitehouses, our reputation is not without merit. We also frequently benefit from terrible refereeing decisions like everyone else, we were given an absolutely nonsense penalty just two weeks ago. What that reputation does mean though is that referees are far quicker to bring the cards out because they go into games with the narrative in their head that they need to look out for Morton fouling. Being the most carded team in the division is not a surprise but it also means Morton players get bookings for things that we'll then see opposition players do five minutes later with no card, and that explains why there's such a huge gap from us to Queen's Park, who clog us off the park every time we play them. With that in mind, that's why we can argue without descending into tinfoil hat territory that if a Morton player had deliberately elbowed someone in the head in midair after 2 minutes, then even if they'd escaped with a booking at the time as ATS did at Cappielow, it's highly unlikely they'd then have gotten away with later deliberately kneeing someone in the ribs so hard it tore a muscle without even being penalised. mate your supporter ran the line at Cappielow back in the day and was dodgy. gees a greet. The red diamond to hopefully prevail -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 Any streams for this currently in Amsterdam so needing one 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_M Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunning1874 Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 Same team, Wilson back on the bench. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colkitto Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 Strong line up and strong options from the bench! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LargsTON Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 Wonder how bad Strapps injury is? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moses1924 Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 McStavick and McCabe's in juries from the cup final must be reasonaby serious to keep them out, injuries defintly starting to mount up but hopefully still enough in the team to get a result today, draw wouldn't be the end of the world for us. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyrshireTon Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 13 hours ago, ??? said: mate your supporter ran the line at Cappielow back in the day and was dodgy. gees a greet. The red diamond to hopefully prevail He had one corner and three throw-ins to award - even at that he was told only to indicate when the ball had left play and let the referee decide who got it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LargsTON Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 6 minutes ago, AyrshireTon said: He had one corner and three throw-ins to award - even at that he was told only to indicate when the ball had left play and let the referee decide who got it. Back when we had a proper rivalry with Airdire. It's all very tame nowadays. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyrshireTon Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 A goal down before other games have even started. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LargsTON Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 Im guessing Airdrie have the wind at their backs just now? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudia Gentile Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 1 hour ago, Cowshed said: Any streams for this currently in Amsterdam so needing one You'll be needing something local, when you see the score... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
9queens Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 3 minutes ago, LargsTON said: Im guessing Airdrie have the wind at their backs just now? More important: They have Morton in front of them 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhys McCabe Hype Train Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 Has Dougie Imrie shat himself yet? 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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