NotThePars Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 They’re even more useless now given that the political landscape is completely ruptured. Anyone making firm claims is at it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Sanchez Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 Got a thing in the post... well, through the door, it wasn't with the post. HOUSEHOLDS IN SCOTLAND BETTER OFF WITH LABOUR: "A Real Living Wage of £10 an hour by 2020." Giving themselves a bit of a challenge here, five and a half months to get elected and raise wages by 20%. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 Got a thing in the post... well, through the door, it wasn't with the post. HOUSEHOLDS IN SCOTLAND BETTER OFF WITH LABOUR: "A Real Living Wage of £10 an hour by 2020." Giving themselves a bit of a challenge here, five and a half months to get elected and raise wages by 20%.Nobody believes their lies anymore. Complete waste of a tree. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandmagyar 2nd Tier Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 14 hours ago, John Lambies Doos said: 20 hours ago, Miguel Sanchez said: Got a thing in the post... well, through the door, it wasn't with the post. HOUSEHOLDS IN SCOTLAND BETTER OFF WITH LABOUR: "A Real Living Wage of £10 an hour by 2020." Giving themselves a bit of a challenge here, five and a half months to get elected and raise wages by 20%. Nobody believes their lies anymore. Complete waste of a tree. I've finally had enough of the party and decided to quit them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerberus Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 Got a thing in the post... well, through the door, it wasn't with the post. HOUSEHOLDS IN SCOTLAND BETTER OFF WITH LABOUR: "A Real Living Wage of £10 an hour by 2020." Giving themselves a bit of a challenge here, five and a half months to get elected and raise wages by 20%.That’s socialism though.Promise complete, unworkable nonsense in the hope that morons will lap it up and vote them in. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 9 hours ago, Cerberus said: That’s socialism though. Promise complete, unworkable nonsense in the hope that morons will lap it up and vote them in. Promise people the NHS, affordable housing and an even playing field in education. Deliver it for so long that idiots don't realize it's socialism. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 28 minutes ago, Detournement said: Promise people the NHS, affordable housing and an even playing field in education. Deliver it for so long that idiots don't realize it's socialism. If the goal of socialism is to deliver those things, and that's been done, then what is the future of socialism? -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty dingus Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 Scottish socialism, get you a nice fur robe and a wee warm hat if your lucky for when the nights are drawing in. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry94 Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 On 13/07/2019 at 10:31, This time Perthshirebell said: ...and behind on BMG and Yougov samples. Boris could confidently call a GE safe in the knowledge he'll be able to win over a good wedge of 'Brexit party' supports. Absolutely no chance Corbyn's Labour will the popular vote anytime soon. Maybe, the 30+ Tory rebels who have vowed to stop a no-deal Brexit might be called into action and take the decision out of Boris hands and call it for him. Yeah...I know. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 Scottish socialism, get you a nice fur robe and a wee warm hat if your lucky for when the nights are drawing in.There's not a socialist in that collection, that's for sure. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Sanchez Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 12 hours ago, Cerberus said: That’s socialism though. Promise complete, unworkable nonsense in the hope that morons will lap it up and vote them in. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Tibbermoresaint said: If the goal of socialism is to deliver those things, and that's been done, then what is the future of socialism? Marx famously said in the Communist Manifesto: "workers of the world unite, you have nothing to build other than a health service, houses that are broadly affordable and a meritocratic education system. You can pack it in after that." Edited July 16, 2019 by NotThePars 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 2 hours ago, Tibbermoresaint said: If the goal of socialism is to deliver those things, and that's been done, then what is the future of socialism? Presumably, to stop them being taken away? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 16 minutes ago, NotThePars said: Marx famously said in the Communist Manifesto: "workers of the world unite, you have nothing to build other than a health service, houses that are broadly affordable and a meritocratic education system. You can pack it in after that." So why haven't they? 9 minutes ago, BawWatchin said: Presumably, to stop them being taken away? If no-one's proposing to take them away? -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Tibbermoresaint said: If no-one's proposing to take them away? Then that would be a totally hypothetical situation as they'll always be non-socialist governments who will try to destroy these things one way or another. Whether through underfunding, backdoor privitization, or setting up dodgy trade deals with the US. Edited July 16, 2019 by BawWatchin 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 5 minutes ago, Tibbermoresaint said: So why haven't they? If no-one's proposing to take them away? I have to assume you're just trolling for banter because the alternative is too depressing to think about. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 1 minute ago, NotThePars said: I have to assume you're just trolling for banter because the alternative is too depressing to think about. It seems to me that the UK population has no more appetite for socialism than the current level of it. They aren't interested in turning the clock back or a Marxist agenda. What then can UK socialists reasonably aspire to? -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 9 minutes ago, Tibbermoresaint said: It seems to me that the UK population has no more appetite for socialism than the current level of it. They aren't interested in turning the clock back or a Marxist agenda. What then can UK socialists reasonably aspire to? Even if you ignore the fact that the majority want to see railways nationalized, energy companies nationalized and the Royal Mail renationalized...... there is still the argument that the remaining few things that still are nationalized are under threat without a socialist government. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 4 minutes ago, BawWatchin said: Even if you ignore the fact that the majority want to see railways nationalized, energy companies nationalized and the Royal Mail renationalized...... there is still the argument that the remaining few things that still are nationalized are under threat without a socialist government. Why then do they not vote for socialist governments? -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 Just now, Tibbermoresaint said: Why then do they not vote for socialist governments? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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