invergowrie arab Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 On 26/11/2022 at 11:58, Jedi said: They were handed an extra £1.5 billion in Hunt's budget last week. There are traditionally years in which the Scot govt has underspent its budget. That money is paid out over 2 years and can't be used to agree a financial settlement today. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirkieRR Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 That Hinsliff article is typical Guardian 'shut up and vote Labour, oiks, we're posh and know better than you' stuff. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 58 minutes ago, Stringer Bell said: Lol Surely the headline should be “Starmer misleads electorate in order to attract votes”. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 1 hour ago, Stringer Bell said: Lol Quote Those close to him make no secret of the fact that his overriding priority is not to jeopardise the victory within reach. Keith like BawJaws is a populist win at any and all costs vote whore. Writes Williemillersmoustache in Pie and Bovrilian 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 15 minutes ago, williemillersmoustache said: Keith like BawJaws is a populist win at any and all costs vote whore. Writes Williemillersmoustache in Pie and Bovrilian The difference is that Johnson was (inexplicably) popular, at least amongst right-wing, immigrant hating Mail readers. Starmer isn’t popular with anyone - he’s simply reaping the benefits of the sudden unpopularity of the Tories. If people have suddenly been confronted with diarrhoea sprayed up and down the walls, a solid turd dumped on the floor might find itself unusually welcome. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jedi Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 2 hours ago, Antlion said: Bingo! Think I have a full house of about 15 SNP Bad GIFS now (always the same one though)...and that's on a post where 95% of the content was about Starmer and Labour and 5% on Sturgeon..Still, any merry whiff or mention of the Sturg gets the old Simpsons GIF signal into the sky 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 11 minutes ago, Jedi said: Bingo! Think I have a full house of about 15 SNP Bad GIFS now (always the same one though)...and that's on a post where 95% of the content was about Starmer and Labour and 5% on Sturgeon..Still, any merry whiff or mention of the Sturg gets the old Simpsons GIF signal into the sky Be fair - only 5% of my posts on this thread point out your desperate whataboutery whereas 95% do not. Isn’t that a coincidence? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandmagar Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 15 minutes ago, Jedi said: Bingo! Think I have a full house of about 15 SNP Bad GIFS now (always the same one though)...and that's on a post where 95% of the content was about Starmer and Labour and 5% on Sturgeon..Still, any merry whiff or mention of the Sturg gets the old Simpsons GIF signal into the sky Although I favour I independence, I in no way want to vote SNP in an independent country. But, at the moment Sturgeon is streets ahead of any other party leader in the UK. LibDems( Jesus!). Sunak( typical rich, corrupt Tory) Starmer( Just left of Sunak). Unfortunately Sturgeon is best of a terrible bunch. Its the best we have at the moment. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 4 minutes ago, Highlandmagar said: Although I favour I independence, I in no way want to vote SNP in an independent country. But, at the moment Sturgeon is streets ahead of any other party leader in the UK. LibDems( Jesus!). Sunak( typical rich, corrupt Tory) Starmer( Just left of Sunak). Unfortunately Sturgeon is best of a terrible bunch. Its the best we have at the moment. Sturgeon is an uninspiring means to an end (disappointing, as I rated her as a fighter before she became FM and seemed to tone herself down so as to offend no one). Starmer, however, isn’t just uninspiring but his “end” is the same power for its own sake. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salt n Vinegar Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 Oops. Labour doing better in the polls.... right on cue, the determination to screw up their election prospects appears... former leadership candidate David Milliband hints at return to the Commons. Can't imagine that the Tory leaning parts of the press will make anything of that, no siree! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 17 minutes ago, Salt n Vinegar said: Oops. Labour doing better in the polls.... right on cue, the determination to screw up their election prospects appears... former leadership candidate David Milliband hints at return to the Commons. Can't imagine that the Tory leaning parts of the press will make anything of that, no siree! Guy was an empty suit. Years of being hailed as the next leader of the party but he had nothing going for him. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 2 hours ago, Salt n Vinegar said: Oops. Labour doing better in the polls.... right on cue, the determination to screw up their election prospects appears... former leadership candidate David Milliband hints at return to the Commons. Can't imagine that the Tory leaning parts of the press will make anything of that, no siree! Is he standing in the Tracy Island constituency? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jedi Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 5 hours ago, Highlandmagar said: Although I favour I independence, I in no way want to vote SNP in an independent country. But, at the moment Sturgeon is streets ahead of any other party leader in the UK. LibDems( Jesus!). Sunak( typical rich, corrupt Tory) Starmer( Just left of Sunak). Unfortunately Sturgeon is best of a terrible bunch. Its the best we have at the moment. 'Populism' has been the main show in town in politics for a good few years now. Of course we saw it in the US with Trump, as well as various European countries, and we have it in the UK. Doesn't matter if its Starmer (interviews about immigration), Sturgeon (playing public sector workers off depending on which sits better with public mood, keeping SNP voters on board with a de facto Ref at the GE), Johnson being Johnson, Sunak aiming to claw back economic 'credibility' (although that ship has sailed for him).the Lib Dems tried it and got it spectacularly wrong with 'reverse Brexit'..it all comes down to playing to what the perceived audience is. Ever since political parties of all persuasions starting running internal polling on what way the wind is blowing with the public mood, they have all been the same. Sadly the Brexit campaign used US methods to tap into which slogans and soundbites would play out best, and Cummings used that to effect. It will take some time to overcome.Corbyn was probably one who largely stuck to principles rather than populism but look where that got him. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocketman Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 4 minutes ago, Jedi said: 'Populism' has been the main show in town in politics for a good few years now. Of course we saw it in the US with Trump, as well as various European countries, and we have it in the UK. Doesn't matter if its Starmer (interviews about immigration), Sturgeon (playing public sector workers off depending on which sits better with public mood, keeping SNP voters on board with a de facto Ref at the GE), Johnson being Johnson, Sunak aiming to claw back economic 'credibility' (although that ship has sailed for him).the Lib Dems tried it and got it spectacularly wrong with 'reverse Brexit'..it all comes down to playing to what the perceived audience is. Ever since political parties of all persuasions starting running internal polling on what way the wind is blowing with the public mood, they have all been the same. Sadly the Brexit campaign used US methods to tap into which slogans and soundbites would play out best, and Cummings used that to effect. It will take some time to overcome.Corbyn was probably one who largely stuck to principles rather than populism but look where that got him. populism - noun. to shoe-horn in one's own unfounded interpretation of a favoured theme and project it onto a political opponent 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 Ignoring the wishes and votes of party membership hardly unique to Labour...have a look at the last few years of SNP Conferences. Leader of a party making statements which he (or she) believes will play to their audience shocker-for Starmer at the moment it's (wrongly in my view btw) trying to shore up the Red Wall 'Brexit' seats next time around. For Sturgeon, it's keeping the faithful on board with the de facto Referendum message around the GE., while playing different public sector workers off against each other, and trying to settle pay disputes with sections which the public find to be popular (or unpopular). Starmer's rhetoric over immigration is wrong, and he is walking a fine line with this, given that I would imagine, a majority of Labour voters are Remain, and also comfortable with free movement...not all, but a majority. On a thread about Labour, where I didn't even mention the SNP, you resort to deflective whataboutery - and it's not even credible whataboutery. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clown Job Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 Jam tomorrow! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 9 minutes ago, Clown Job said: Jam tomorrow! It’s almost like the “faster, safer, better change” we were promised way back in 2014 was a lot of mendacious shite. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jedi Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 ......Apart from the power to set and collect all income taxes, the permanency of the Scottish parliament, full control over oil and gas extraction, full control over most social security benefits, management of the Crown Estate (worth around £400 million), substantially increased borrowing powers,. Leaving essentially defence, foreign affairs, currency, energy, immigration retained. Still, we know that the Scottish Parliament and government are 'powerless' to do anything in Scotland. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandmagar Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 53 minutes ago, Clown Job said: Jam tomorrow! Hot air. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 21 minutes ago, Jedi said: ......Apart from the power to set and collect all income taxes, the permanency of the Scottish parliament, full control over oil and gas extraction, full control over most social security benefits, management of the Crown Estate (worth around £400 million), substantially increased borrowing powers,. Leaving essentially defence, foreign affairs, currency, energy, immigration retained. Still, we know that the Scottish Parliament and government are 'powerless' to do anything in Scotland. BiB is a pathetic straw man. It’s your chief muppet who’s saying that what Scotland was promised wasn’t enough and constitutional “change” is needed. Perhaps, like his hard line against immigrant, it’s just another thing he doesn’t really mean, though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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