What is the point of labour ?

[MazzyStar]

22 minutes ago, Savage Henry said:

There’s at least one SNP leadership candidate who would probably say she didn’t go far enough.  

But some on here will tell you she’s great because she’s “competent”.

Edited March 23, 2023 by MazzyStar

[Leith Green]

45 minutes ago, Suspect Device said:

All hail Thatcher.

 

 

Starmer probably has a Thatcher themed wanksock.................

[StellarHibee]

Keir Starmer going full totalitarianism on his speech over crime. Never mind dealing with the economic factors that have led to higher levels of crime. Nah, just put more law enforcement officers out on the streets to keep them lower class peasants in check. What a c**t.

[Iain]

I've come to the conclusion that Starmer is a deeply unpleasant man.

[HeartsOfficialMoaner]

16 hours ago, StellarHibee said:

Keir Starmer going full totalitarianism on his speech over crime. Never mind dealing with the economic factors that have led to higher levels of crime. Nah, just put more law enforcement officers out on the streets to keep them lower class peasants in check. What a c**t.

I think he is just stealing the Tory chat to win votes. 

[CambieBud]

54 minutes ago, HeartsOfficialMoaner said:

I think he is just stealing the Tory chat to win votes. 

And therein lies the problem. A man with no principles whatsoever. 

[HeartsOfficialMoaner]

2 minutes ago, CambieBud said:

And therein lies the problem. A man with no principles whatsoever. 

He doesn't have to mean it, just pretend, like how he makes out he is more anti immigrant than the Tories. That's the game or how it looks to me.

It's a win for the SNP anyway.

Look, Look, Red Tories, Red Tories. 

[Wee-Bey]

The problem is you can't out Tory the Tories forever on culture war stuff, immigration, crime etc. Starmer could go on live TV and shoot a migrant while fucking the flag and holding a copy of the Sun and he'll still get the "woke lefty lawyer is going to let 'them' ruin are country" treatment when they deem the time is right. In the meantime he's obliterating a decent chunk of his party's base.

[StellarHibee]

1 hour ago, HeartsOfficialMoaner said:

I think he is just stealing the Tory chat to win votes. 

He's not winning more votes, he's replacing them. He'd be quite happy to gain every single tory vote while losing every labour vote from the previous election, as long as it means gaining power. He's the new media darling, otherwise they would be all over the Forde Report.

He must be a right-wing shitebag, otherwise he'd be getting the Corbyn treatment.

[DeeTillEhDeh]

If people are inclined towards the Tories they'll vote Tory not someone dressing up as a Tory.

[StellarHibee]

31 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said:

If people are inclined towards the Tories they'll vote Tory not someone dressing up as a Tory.

Unless they perceive him to be even more tory than the alternative.

[Salt n Vinegar]

17 hours ago, DeeTillEhDeh said:

If people are inclined towards the Tories they'll vote Tory not someone dressing up as a Tory.

Not too sure about that. In Scotland there's "a bit of a stigma" about voting Tory. It's the only explanation I can think of why folk in the Edinburgh Western area vote LibDem.  Cant bring themselves to vote for these lefty sorts, but know the Tories are damnable, so suddenly Cole-Hamilton seems like a logical choice. 

[DeeTillEhDeh]

29 minutes ago, Salt n Vinegar said:

Not too sure about that. In Scotland there's "a bit of a stigma" about voting Tory. It's the only explanation I can think of why folk in the Edinburgh Western area vote LibDem.  Cant bring themselves to vote for these lefty sorts, but know the Tories are damnable, so suddenly Cole-Hamilton seems like a logical choice. 

I was talking more about the UK in general.

[Leith Green]

48 minutes ago, Salt n Vinegar said:

Not too sure about that. In Scotland there's "a bit of a stigma" about voting Tory. It's the only explanation I can think of why folk in the Edinburgh Western area vote LibDem.  Cant bring themselves to vote for these lefty sorts, but know the Tories are damnable, so suddenly Cole-Hamilton seems like a logical choice. 

Its more nuanced than that, especially when the Indy/Unionist question comes into play.

I live in Edinburgh South for Westminster, (Edinburgh Southern for Holyrood) and "Morningside Tories" vote Labour tactically in order that no SNP MP/MSP gets in.

This has been obvious for some time, but is made evern more obvious when you see the breakdown of FPTP and Regional Holyrood votes for the tories in this constituency.

Both Ian Murray and Daniel Johnson campaign on "lend us your vote" to local tories.

Even in the local council here, the SNP are the largest single party but Labour and the Tories (ffs !) are in a "loose alliance" to run Edinburgh - think there are 3 or 4 other councils which have the same problem.

I voted Labour as a youngster, and this kind of cosying up to the b*****d fucking Tory party is one of the reasons I despise Scottish Labour.

[btb]

22 hours ago, Marlo Stanfield said:

The problem is you can't out Tory the Tories forever on culture war stuff, immigration, crime etc. Starmer could go on live TV and shoot a migrant while fucking the flag and holding a copy of the Sun and he'll still get the "woke lefty lawyer is going to let 'them' ruin are country" treatment when they deem the time is right. In the meantime he's obliterating a decent chunk of his party's base.

How many hands does Starmer have?

Spoiler

I won't vote for anyone with more than two.

 

[Salt n Vinegar]

1 hour ago, Leith Green said:

Its more nuanced than that, especially when the Indy/Unionist question comes into play.

I live in Edinburgh South for Westminster, (Edinburgh Southern for Holyrood) and "Morningside Tories" vote Labour tactically in order that no SNP MP/MSP gets in.

This has been obvious for some time, but is made evern more obvious when you see the breakdown of FPTP and Regional Holyrood votes for the tories in this constituency.

Both Ian Murray and Daniel Johnson campaign on "lend us your vote" to local tories.

Even in the local council here, the SNP are the largest single party but Labour and the Tories (ffs !) are in a "loose alliance" to run Edinburgh - think there are 3 or 4 other councils which have the same problem.

I voted Labour as a youngster, and this kind of cosying up to the b*****d fucking Tory party is one of the reasons I despise Scottish Labour.

True enough. I know some Labour ex-Councillors and I can't imagine for one second that they approve of Labour working with the Tories.  Didn't Labour in Edinburgh make an ar$e of the negotiations/voting process for the coming financial year's budget and Edinburgh now has a Tory one? Well done Labour. Oddly, I didn't hear Starmer commenting on these issues on his recent Scottish safaris. 

[StellarHibee]

1 hour ago, Salt n Vinegar said:

Didn't Labour in Edinburgh make an ar$e of the negotiations/voting process for the coming financial year's budget and Edinburgh now has a Tory one?

Deliberate. They wanted the tory budget without actively appearing to support it. They could only do that by making an arse of their own budget.

[Suspect Device]

Not much of a surprise but to be confirmed today.

 

 

[Salt n Vinegar]

1 hour ago, Suspect Device said:

Not much of a surprise but to be confirmed today.

 

 

Bit surprised TBH. I thought that Starmer wouldn't try to split the Labour Party until a bit nearer the time of the next election.

Seems to me that all he's done is annoying the left to try to impress the right. It'll be interesting to see reaction from the membership. 

[AndyM]

3 minutes ago, Salt n Vinegar said:

Bit surprised TBH. I thought that Starmer wouldn't try to split the Labour Party until a bit nearer the time of the next election.

Seems to me that all he's done is annoying the left to try to impress the right. It'll be interesting to see reaction from the membership. 

Some will be raging,  others will be delighted to see the back of Corbyn and an awful lot won't care.

Labour want to win in 2024 and dumping Corbyn is for Starmar a sacrifice to middle England that has to be made.