Granny Danger Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 1 hour ago, Suspect Device said: 3 hours ago, Henderson to deliver ..... said: Burnham has a good meme format, so why the f**k not ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewDon Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 Burnham is confusing. He is probably the most underrated political operator in his generation of Labour MPs, but also the most opportunistic. His journey from 2010, where he seemed to run vaguely to the right of David Miliband, to where he likes to position himself now is quite something. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 Labour won the working age population in 2019 and were still routed. We live in a country dominated by idiot nihilist pensioners. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty dingus Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 4 minutes ago, Detournement said: Labour won the working age population in 2019 and were still routed. We live in a country dominated by idiot nihilist pensioners. Who also run about 95% of the MSM. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 Imagine having a household income below 20 grand and voting Tory. Also lol at the high income melts voting Lib Dem. That table demolishes a lot of the arguments about a class realignment but you would really need to see the geographic spread to have a full picture. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 1 hour ago, Detournement said: Labour won the working age population in 2019 and were still routed. We live in a country dominated by idiot nihilist pensioners. If I was you I'd be dredging up the Why Do the Working Classes Vote Tory thread and doing a Vince McMahion victory lap round it. I'm sitting here and enjoying my tepid "hey I think the story of the Red Wall might be people staying home as opposed to switching to the Tories" take. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee-Bey Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 1 minute ago, NotThePars said: If I was you I'd be dredging up the Why Do the Working Classes Vote Tory thread and doing a Vince McMahion victory lap round it. I'm sitting here and enjoying my tepid "hey I think the story of the Red Wall might be people staying home as opposed to switching to the Tories" take. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SANTAN Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 2 hours ago, Detournement said: Imagine having a household income below 20 grand and voting Tory. Also lol at the high income melts voting Lib Dem. That table demolishes a lot of the arguments about a class realignment but you would really need to see the geographic spread to have a full picture. Now what. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 1 hour ago, Stormzy said: Now what. Labour need to get to work on increasing turnout in younger voters, make the Greens irrelevant and go to fucking war on the Lib Dems. There is no way to get Tory pensioners to switch so forget that entirely. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewDon Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 Only route to success for Labour now is to bring Sir Tony Blair back. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 5 hours ago, Detournement said: Labour won the working age population in 2019 and were still routed. We live in a country dominated by idiot nihilist pensioners. Mao had it right 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteRoseKillie Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 (edited) I know it's a pantomime, and I know it changes nothing, but that was the weakest PMQs performance I've ever seen from an opposition leader. Ever. I'm not saying that the disparity in support for children in th UK compared to the rest of the world isn't important - likewise the cut in the aid budget and the stance on a two-state solution in the Middle east. But on a day when the Government has been lambasted in the courts with senior members being ruled to have acted unlawfully - with the corruption laid bare in open court - Starmer let Johnson off the hook disgracefully. To not even mention that the Government is reneging on the very agreement ("Get Brexit Done!") that got them elected is nothing short of a betrayal of his responsibility to not only his Party, but to the wider electorate. That fat slug is getting tougher questions from his own back-benchers than Starmer can manage. It really is time for Starmer to fúck off, and for the likes of Lavery, McDonnell and Trickett to start looking for any young, presentable candidates to take over and stop the haemorrhage of members being presided over by this empty shirt. Sending Burgon for media training and voice-coaching would be a start, as would finding a NE Seat for Laura Pidcock to reclaim for the workers. I'm not holding my breath, though. Edited June 9, 2021 by WhiteRoseKillie 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 It’ll be Andy Burnham at the minute if anyone runs. Long-Bailey had to be dragged kicking and screaming to run and nobody else seems willing or able to run. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 3 hours ago, WhiteRoseKillie said: I know it's a pantomime, and I know it changes nothing, but that was the weakest PMQs performance I've ever seen from an opposition leader. Ever. I'm not saying that the disparity in support for children in th UK compared to the rest of the world isn't important - likewise the cut in the aid budget and the stance on a two-state solution in the Middle east. But on a day when the Government has been lambasted in the courts with senior members being ruled to have acted unlawfully - with the corruption laid bare in open court - Starmer let Johnson off the hook disgracefully. To not even mention that the Government is reneging on the very agreement ("Get Brexit Done!") that got them elected is nothing short of a betrayal of his responsibility to not only his Party, but to the wider electorate. That fat slug is getting tougher questions from his own back-benchers than Starmer can manage. It really is time for Starmer to fúck off, and for the likes of Lavery, McDonnell and Trickett to start looking for any young, presentable candidates to take over and stop the haemorrhage of members being presided over by this empty shirt. Sending Burgon for media training and voice-coaching would be a start, as would finding a NE Seat for Laura Pidcock to reclaim for the workers. I'm not holding my breath, though. Always thought Clive Lewis would have been a decent option but he didn’t want to go for it. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 1 minute ago, Pato said: does he not have some sexual harassment skeletons in his closet? Does he? I’m not aware of that. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewDon Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 Burnham clearly on maneuvers with this public display of #respect. Starmer should watch his back. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullerene Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 5 hours ago, Pato said: I dunno how you get the young fired up to vote for Labour when this kind of shit is routine among Labour drones I agree. The tweet is moronic. Why vote at all? Somebody is going to win and then whoever it is will be your local champion. Hurrah. In the meantime, a government you despise has been elected yet again. Some people never see the big picture. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee-Bey Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 PR would give people an option other than Labour in England. Which is one of the reasons most of the party is against it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullerene Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 29 minutes ago, Avon Barksdale said: PR would give people an option other than Labour in England. Which is one of the reasons most of the party is against it. The sad thing is you are probably right. They fail to notice that the existing system also gives an option other than Labour and it has been taken up for the last four elections. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteRoseKillie Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 14 hours ago, Granny Danger said: Always thought Clive Lewis would have been a decent option but he didn’t want to go for it. Clive will be a good Cabinet member once we get back to choosing on ability. I'd have him as shdow foreign. 13 hours ago, Pato said: does he not have some sexual harassment skeletons in his closet? He had a load of allegations thrown at him thrown at him back when anyone seen as part of the "Corbyn Project" had to be vilified, due to the almighty scare the 2017 election gave the tories and their media chums. Not just the sexual harrassment, he was apparently misogynistic and a bit of a coconut. Not surprising he doesn't want to go for the big job. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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