Left Back Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 8 minutes ago, guinness said: The real reason.....Just take a minute to read the post below, from a Rail Worker, that gives a different perspective to the hyperbole being flung out by HMG's client journalists... Three years ago we accepted a 0% pay rise, two years ago we accepted a 0% pay rise. But this year they came to us with a 0% pay rise plus over 2500 redundancies, changes to terms and conditions. An increase from 28 weeks of nights to 39 weeks of nights. An increase from 32 weekends worked to 39 weekends worked. Currently for a night shift we get time and a quarter, for a weekend turn we get time and a half. They wish to cut both of these to time and a tenth. So that’s a 15% pay cut on every night shift and a 40% pay cut on every weekend turn. But they want us to work more of them. This is their modernisation they talk about. Not technology, we embrace technology and have seen more and more of it in recent years. They also wish to fire and re-hire the operative grades and bring them back under a new job title but on £9000 a year less. They also want them to use their own vehicles to get to work sites, this when fuel is at its highest. They will also be pooled when currently they are part of the team. The press are painting this to be about pay above all else. It is not. But now we’ve said sod them we are going to demand better. I wish everyone could see past the government controlled media smear. #OneRuleForThem Just because some random posts something on the internet that doesn’t make it true. For all you know it could have been a postie that wrote it. Even if it was a rail worker it doesn’t mean it’s true. The nature of disputes is that both sides exaggerate their own grievance/position. Actual facts are usually in short supply. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guinness Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 6 minutes ago, Left Back said: Just because some random posts something on the internet that doesn’t make it true. For all you know it could have been a postie that wrote it. Even if it was a rail worker it doesn’t mean it’s true. The nature of disputes is that both sides exaggerate their own grievance/position. Actual facts are usually in short supply. If you watched Mick Lynch mention about the T's&C's, pay plus the the pensions. The spokesman of network rail & the tories never denied it. Grant Shapps actually said with the pensionable age is at 62 they should put it up to 65....honestly 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 22 minutes ago, guinness said: If you watched Mick Lynch mention about the T's&C's, pay plus the the pensions. The spokesman of network rail & the tories never denied it. Grant Shapps actually said with the pensionable age is at 62 they should put it up to 65....honestly Do you fancy trying your next post in English so I have a chance of understanding the point you’re trying to make? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guinness Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 7 hours ago, Left Back said: Do you fancy trying your next post in English so I have a chance of understanding the point you’re trying to make? It's actually you are ....but I'll let you off 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clown Job Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 It’s wild they give these people a national platform to spout this nonsense 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albus Bulbasaur Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 Lisa Nandy hitting the nail on the head as per usual. -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 2 hours ago, Albus Bulbasaur said: Lisa Nandy hitting the nail on the head as per usual. How is this an election bid, Labour have had a miserable time in the last 2 elections in Scotland so can see why they want to avoid another one just now but I'm not sure anyone reads independence as an election bid. And perhaps if Nanfy was serious about resolving the issues in the NHS she would be campaigning to get us back in the EU so we can attract staff from the EU again. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albus Bulbasaur Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 1 minute ago, 101 said: How is this an election bid, Labour have had a miserable time in the last 2 elections in Scotland so can see why they want to avoid another one just now but I'm not sure anyone reads independence as an election bid. And perhaps if Nanfy was serious about resolving the issues in the NHS she would be campaigning to get us back in the EU so we can attract staff from the EU again. It's an election bid because as Nicola said herself these are the terms she will fight the general election over if she fails at getting a S30. If she was confident she'd get a section 30 or win the SC case she wouldn't already be setting out their stall for the next GE. She's understandably setting up her position to fight yet another GE after failing to have an actual referendum. At best it's contingency planning. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 17 minutes ago, Albus Bulbasaur said: It's an election bid because as Nicola said herself these are the terms she will fight the general election over if she fails at getting a S30. If she was confident she'd get a section 30 or win the SC case she wouldn't already be setting out their stall for the next GE. She's understandably setting up her position to fight yet another GE after failing to have an actual referendum. At best it's contingency planning. I think demonstrating all the options is essential, it cost the last independence vote and meant Brexit was so vague that it is impossible to implement. When the Westminster politicians find themselves telling Scotland what they should be focusing on they have to also say how they can focus on it, are the Labour party suggesting that the £20m being spend over the next 5 years on Independence should be put into the NHS to clear the backlog? If they are serious about Scotland staying in the UK they can't just have sound bites but proper logical arguments that staying in a Tory Brexit Britain is better than Independence. Perhaps if we weren't spending so much cash mitigating Tory policies our NHS would be supercharged. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salt n Vinegar Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 2 minutes ago, 101 said: I think demonstrating all the options is essential, it cost the last independence vote and meant Brexit was so vague that it is impossible to implement. When the Westminster politicians find themselves telling Scotland what they should be focusing on they have to also say how they can focus on it, are the Labour party suggesting that the £20m being spend over the next 5 years on Independence should be put into the NHS to clear the backlog? If they are serious about Scotland staying in the UK they can't just have sound bites but proper logical arguments that staying in a Tory Brexit Britain is better than Independence. Perhaps if we weren't spending so much cash mitigating Tory policies our NHS would be supercharged. Its actually worse than that. What we have here are unionist politicians in Westminster saying that they know better about what the Scottish electorate want than the majority of MSPs elected to the Scottish Parliament and/or the overwhelming majority of Scottish constituency MPs in the Commons. Utterly bizarre thinking. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zern Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 It's official, Labour have no policies: Keir Starmer says he is scrapping Labour’s last manifesto and ‘starting from scratch’ | The Independent 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 Lisa Nandy is an absolute numpty who's never had an insightful, original, or interesting thought in her life. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 1 hour ago, Zern said: It's official, Labour have no policies: Keir Starmer says he is scrapping Labour’s last manifesto and ‘starting from scratch’ | The Independent This will be them finally admitting that they are no longer a left wing party, and haven't been for a long time. Their new manifesto would probably get flagged for plagiarism* if ran through the software universities etc use for submissions. *Not hard to guess which party they'd be copying many ideas from 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 5 hours ago, Clown Job said: It’s wild they give these people a national platform to spout this nonsense Lisa Nandy looks like a teenager held captive in a warehouse in that image. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salt n Vinegar Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 (edited) Meanwhile, in Edinburgh, and giving a stunning indication of Labour's determination to oppose the Tories having any role in Scottish public life, 2 Edinburgh Labour Councillors have been suspended for opposing the deal to give Labour power. They opposed the deal because, well, erm... it handed Tories paid positions of authority in the new Council. BTW, so desperate were the voters in Edinburgh to have the Tories in positions of authority in their City that they reduced the number of Tory Councillors from 18 to 9 at the recent election. That's the point of Labour... keeping Tories in power. Edited June 29, 2022 by Salt n Vinegar 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 3 hours ago, scottsdad said: Lisa Nandy looks like a teenager held captive in a warehouse in that image. I hope the hostage negotiators are really, really shit. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandmagar Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 5 hours ago, Zern said: It's official, Labour have no policies: Keir Starmer says he is scrapping Labour’s last manifesto and ‘starting from scratch’ | The Independent Not right wing enough obviously. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 6 hours ago, Zern said: It's official, Labour have no policies: Keir Starmer says he is scrapping Labour’s last manifesto and ‘starting from scratch’ | The Independent Try to keep up… 23 hours ago, Granny Danger said: Keir Starmer Confirms He Has Ditched All Of The Pledges In Labour's 2019 Manifesto https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/keir-starmer-ditches-last-labour-manifesto_uk_62badcbfe4b080fb670a2baa 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 I'm waiting with baited breath for the John McTernan wing of ScotLab to make an appearance. That's always good for a laugh. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 On 29/06/2022 at 20:18, Bad Wolf said: I'm waiting with baited breath for the John McTernan wing of ScotLab to make an appearance. That's always good for a laugh. I didn't realise he was writing for the Courier now. Some fall from grace Anyway, Angela Rayner appears to be living rent free in Dominic Raab's head. What a strange little man he is. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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