What is the point of labour ?

[Clown Job]

Lol, wit?

[Antlion]

2 minutes ago, Clown Job said:

Lol, wit?

Starmer should be reminded of this the next time he tries to peddle the idea of Scotland needing what’s been rebranded a “UK Single Market”. He won’t, though.

[Dan Steele]

Brown wheeled out as the go-to Scot and Labour in their occasional striving for relevance by once again treating Scotland as an after-thought. Up here we're on a very different trajectory. No amount of bleating about "union", "better together" or this current pish spouting will make any difference. 

[williemillersmoustache]

1 hour ago, Stringer Bell said:

Not a single elected representative from Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland.

And a huge lol at the bottom 2. 

The only conclusion you can draw is that for Brown and Starmer there isn't a single elected Scottish Labour representative whose opinion is worthwhile.  Which is fair enough actually. 

[coprolite]

1 hour ago, Leith Green said:

Starmer said on R4 today that being part of the Single Market would not boost the UK economic growth.

No credible economist agrees with this, its just a big fat lie in order that the thick racists in old Red Wall Brexitland that went conservative in 2019 vote Labour next time.

He also said he doesn't disapprove of private schools because "we have some very good private schools in this country". Which misses the point by as far as it's possible to miss a point. 

Throughout his entire pitch to disaffected Tories on there the phrase "banality of evil" kept going around in my head. If he's as evil as he is banal then he may actually be the antichrist. 

[Wee-Bey]

Genuinely excited to be able to vote directly for the guy in a ceremonial role who wears a funny chain and cuts the ribbon on the new food bank.

Democracy is back baby. It's good again.

[williemillersmoustache]

 

 

 

[Jeff Venom]

Will be interested to hear the better together champions who on one hand decry the Scottish parliament as a pReTenDy pArLIaMeNt!!! which gets too much money and say while on the other championing the de-centralising of Westminster power and funding to local regions in these Labour proposals. 

[Granny Danger]

1 hour ago, The Skelpit Lug said:

Brown wheeled out as the go-to Scot and Labour in their occasional striving for relevance by once again treating Scotland as an after-thought. Up here we're on a very different trajectory. No amount of bleating about "union", "better together" or this current pish spouting will make any difference. 

 

1 hour ago, williemillersmoustache said:

The only conclusion you can draw is that for Brown and Starmer there isn't a single elected Scottish Labour representative whose opinion is worthwhile.  Which is fair enough actually. 

I’m maybe biased here, but I just don’t imagine that Gordon Brown is particularly popular in Scotland; as such he’s a really strange choice to be the face of any campaign.  There will be plenty of Scottish Labour voters who don’t identify with Brown and most YES voters will probably remember him for the lies he told during the Referendum.

Probably some Tories and Lib Dems will line up with some Labour voters in ‘supporting’ him simply due to the Unionist stance but I’d guess he’d have an overall negative rating of between 30% and 40%.

[williemillersmoustache]

15 minutes ago, Granny Danger said:

 

I’m maybe biased here, but I just don’t imagine that Gordon Brown is particularly popular in Scotland; as such he’s a really strange choice to be the face of any campaign.  There will be plenty of Scottish Labour voters who don’t identify with Brown and most YES voters will probably remember him for the lies he told during the Referendum.

Probably some Tories and Lib Dems will line up with some Labour voters in ‘supporting’ him simply due to the Unionist stance but I’d guess he’d have an overall negative rating of between 30% and 40%.

How to day "we aren't interested in appealing to Scottish voters and are demonstrably not trying to do so" without saying "we aren't interested in appealing to Scottish voters and are demonstrably not trying to do so."

[scottsdad]

Labour's plans for Scotland are just nuts. They have no authority at all to say "We know what Scots really want!" If they did, they'd be running the Scottish government. ]

More pish dreamed up by a committee. 

[O'Kelly Isley III]

I've always been amazed at the gravitas accorded to Gordon Brown, a chameleon of man who travelled the political spectrum from authoring The Red Paper to full-strength right-wing Atlanticist, and along the way achieving nothing of real note other than striking a grubby deal for the keys of No 10.  That and living up fully to the stereotype of the dour, buttoned-up Presbyterian Scot. 

You also have to wonder where exactly this latest underwhelming 'dramatic intervention' from Broon leaves Anas Sarwar who seems now to be not quite Labour's leader in Scotland in the way that he may have thought.

[Brother Blades]

Other than Jedi apparently taking a sabbatical, every Labour announcement makes me detest them even more than I already do.

I’ve always been left leaning & was a shop-steward at the tender age of 22, so I guess, a natural Labour voter.

However, I’ve always been pro Indy, joined the SNP just before the vote in 2014, have been somewhat disappointed in the lack of radical ideas that I thought would come with the base support they had post 2014, so cancelled my membership in 2020. I will always vote Yes in any future ref. The absolute neck of Sir Keith (1 MP north of the border) Starmer trying to tell me, what’s best for Scotland has infuriated me. 
I’ll be renewing my membership of SNP tomorrow & hoping that Labour die in England & Wales as they have done here. Absolute power hungry charlatans that will sell any morals they may or may not have had down the river for a sniff of King Chucks crotch as they kneel before him begging to form a government. c***s. 

[Clown Job]

So is that Gordon Brown admitting the UK doesn’t work for Scotland, hence the need for change?

[Antlion]

5 minutes ago, Clown Job said:

So is that Gordon Brown admitting the UK doesn’t work for Scotland, hence the need for change?

Surely not - the strong and stable UK was already improved by “faster, safer, better change”* post-2014.

 

* that is: robbing us of our European citizenship, ending much-needed free movement, and crashing the economy.

[scottsdad]

Broad shoulders...pool and share...something something

[Antlion]

2 hours ago, Stringer Bell said:

Genuinely excited to be able to vote directly for the guy in a ceremonial role who wears a funny chain and cuts the ribbon on the new food bank.

Democracy is back baby. It's good again.

The public reaction to eccie-jaw really ought to be one for @Clown Job

 

[HandsomeRichard]

4 minutes ago, Antlion said:

 much-needed free movement

[Antlion]

2 minutes ago, HandsomeRichard said:

“Restricting free movement has had a devasting impact," said managing director Julian Marks. "But not just on agriculture and horticulture – on pretty much every sector where people from abroad have been working in those sectors for years and now. They’re going home."

You can see why the old UK - the EU member state we voted on in 2014 and which no longer exists - bragged about “Voting No Borders”. It’s since demonstrated that doing a 180 and erecting them in order to deter movement doesn’t work.

[Pocketman]

3 hours ago, Clown Job said:

Lol, wit?

This plus Brown saying that Scotland leaving the UK (and thereby rejoining the EU) would be economically detrimental - at its best it is fantasy land/cloud cuckoo politics; at it's worst it is lying, self-serving and manipulative.

There is no way both Brown and Starmer do not believe that being back in the EU would be beneficial on almost every front. Yet in the desperate hunt for votes and power, party and individuals connected to the party will always come first for Labour. At least the Tories are up front about that.