ICTJohnboy Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 1 minute ago, Leith Green said: I am no Labour fan, but.......... Yes, controversial I know! BUT... I also feel there's a better prospect of more votes for the SNP under a Tory govt. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 1 hour ago, ICTJohnboy said: Never thought I'd hear myself saying this in my lifetime but I'm getting close to a stage where I'd actually prefer the Tories to win the GE. Keef and his cohorts are turning into a bunch of obnoxious pratts. Second paragraph, I like. First one, not so much. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sophia Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 1 hour ago, ICTJohnboy said: Never thought I'd hear myself saying this in my lifetime but I'm getting close to a stage where I'd actually prefer the Tories to win the GE. Keef and his cohorts are turning into a bunch of obnoxious pratts. There's no "turning into" about it. Here's Lisa Nancy complaining about the level of discourse from 2020 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 1 hour ago, ICTJohnboy said: Yes, controversial I know! BUT... I also feel there's a better prospect of more votes for the SNP under a Tory govt. https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/oct/05/over-330000-excess-deaths-in-great-britain-linked-to-austerity-finds-study The stakes are higher than you're imagining. Nothing justifies the continuation of this Tory government and there are no silver linings either. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MazzyStar Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 (edited) 16 minutes ago, FreedomFarter said: https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/oct/05/over-330000-excess-deaths-in-great-britain-linked-to-austerity-finds-study The stakes are higher than you're imagining. Nothing justifies the continuation of this Tory government and there are no silver linings either. It’s no surprise ICTJohnboy thinks this given he is one of the biggest James O’brien fanboys on here. People like this have never suffered the worst effects of years of austerity and decades of neoliberalism. Edited April 10, 2023 by MazzyStar 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuMoore Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 I'll always find it baffling how some apparantly progressive thinkers get so upset over the idea of Labour winning a general election over the literal Conservative party. I appreciate this place seems to be very pro SNP and pro Indy but even if that is your ultimate goal surely you would much prefer Starmer to Sunak at this point even if you do think that he's isn't as progressive as you'd like him to be. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 41 minutes ago, sophia said: There's no "turning into" about it. Here's Lisa Nancy complaining about the level of discourse from 2020 Yes, a fine example there of how to raise the standards of debate in this country! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, RuMoore said: I'll always find it baffling how some apparantly progressive thinkers get so upset over the idea of Labour winning a general election over the literal Conservative party. I appreciate this place seems to be very pro SNP and pro Indy but even if that is your ultimate goal surely you would much prefer Starmer to Sunak at this point even if you do think that he's isn't as progressive as you'd like him to be. You mean Starmer, the man who campaigned so vociferously against Brexit and is now the country's biggest defender and supporter of that unmitigated disaster. And we all know why.... Edited April 10, 2023 by ICTJohnboy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 17 minutes ago, MazzyStar said: It’s no surprise ICTJohnboy thinks this given he is one of the biggest James O’brien fanboys on here. People like this have never suffered the worst effects of years of austerity and decades of neoliberalism. Is O'Brien a Tory fanboy? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetmonster Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 1 minute ago, ICTJohnboy said: Is O'Brien a Tory fanboy? He’s the dreaded centrist in a lot of ways. Has certainly voted Johnson before but whether it was over Livingstone for mayor or Corbyn for PM I can’t remember 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 (edited) 17 minutes ago, carpetmonster said: He’s the dreaded centrist in a lot of ways. Has certainly voted Johnson before but whether it was over Livingstone for mayor or Corbyn for PM I can’t remember He did vote for Johnson for the London mayor gig, but is always the first to admit that was a terrible mistake, and he's being doing his level best to crucify him (and the Tories in general) ever since. Edited April 10, 2023 by ICTJohnboy 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 30 minutes ago, RuMoore said: I'll always find it baffling how some apparantly progressive thinkers get so upset over the idea of Labour winning a general election over the literal Conservative party. Think longterm. A Starmer win validates a “Labour” Party that is Tory-lite, and thus invites the Tories back in a few years (when middle England fancies the real thing again). I’d rather the actual Tory Party self-immolates than the Labour Party simply steps into its shoes and the jolly knight claims it a vindication for sensible right-wing, immigrant-crushing politics. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MazzyStar Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 27 minutes ago, ICTJohnboy said: Is O'Brien a Tory fanboy? He’s certainly not any less right wing than the likes of David Cameron. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 1 hour ago, sophia said: There's no "turning into" about it. Here's Lisa Nancy complaining about the level of discourse from 2020 Is there a clip of her on QT, when she was berated by a Tory for being personally useless, and she just sat there nodding sadly at how incompetent she was being told she was? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuMoore Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 (edited) 33 minutes ago, ICTJohnboy said: You mean Starmer, the man who campaigned so vociferously against Brexit and is now the country's biggest defender and supporter of that unmitigated disaster. And we all know why.... Well aye... when in direct comparison with Rishi Sunak of the Conservative party then yes I 100% prefer Starmer as I'd hope most people on here would irrespective of their Indy opinions. Edited April 10, 2023 by RuMoore 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuMoore Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 4 minutes ago, Antlion said: Think longterm. A Starmer win validates a “Labour” Party that is Tory-lite, and thus invites the Tories back in a few years (when middle England fancies the real thing again). I’d rather the actual Tory Party self-immolates than the Labour Party simply steps into its shoes and the jolly knight claims it a vindication for sensible right-wing, immigrant-crushing politics. I personally think views on independence are best recieved when non party political. As a lot of people say the Indy cause is bigger than the SNP as a political party so surely on the contrary it shouldn't really matter who is in Westminster but at the same time you'd want the lesser of two evils no matter how marginal you think the evilness is no? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 3 minutes ago, RuMoore said: Well aye... when in direct comparison with Rishi Sunak of the Conservative party then yes I 100% prefer Starmer as I'd hope most people on here would irrespective of their Indy opinions. A bit like deciding whether one would rather be robbed and shot, or diagnosed terminal but given a pleasant hospice. Either way, I’d be disappointed. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuMoore Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Antlion said: A bit like deciding whether one would rather be robbed and shot, or diagnosed terminal but given a pleasant hospice. Either way, I’d be disappointed. I appreciate what you're going for but I think every single human being on the planet would prefer to be robbed and shot over being diagnosed with a terminal illness still... Edited April 10, 2023 by RuMoore 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 Just now, RuMoore said: I personally think views on independence are best recieved when non party political. As a lot of people say the Indy cause is bigger than the SNP as a political party so surely on the contrary it shouldn't really matter who is in Westminster but at the same time you'd want the lesser of two evils no matter how marginal you think the evilness is no? I didn’t actually mention independence. I’m talking about the UK. If Starmer wins, he reintroduces a shitter Blairite Labour Party, which damages the potential of a left-wing alternative long-term. If Sunak wins, he might - just might - continue inadvertently destroying the Tories, causing maximum damage as he does so. Both options are shit, and these are the only options in the UK. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 If you don't want Labour or the Tories, you could always vote for someone else... Spoiler 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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