Jambo99 Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 On 04/10/2018 at 22:47, John Lambies Doos said: On 04/10/2018 at 21:40, Inanimate Carbon Rod said: Applying the Faslane calculator Jackie Baillie was actually on the labour front bench for over 2 million years, quite some achievement tbh. And she's fat From the lips of the Farmfood Kid 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 According to Andrew Marr, Ricky Leonard “has been a hugely popular figure in Scottish politics”. Anyone? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maicoman Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 5 minutes ago, Antlion said: According to Andrew Marr, Ricky Leonard “has been a hugely popular figure in Scottish politics”. Anyone? I nearly choked on my toast laughing to myself when i read your post 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 1 hour ago, Antlion said: According to Andrew Marr, Ricky Leonard “has been a hugely popular figure in Scottish politics”. Anyone? He did say that during a press review and neither Sarah Smith nor John Nicholson batted an eyelid. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Kelly Isley III Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 3 hours ago, Antlion said: According to Andrew Marr, Ricky Leonard “has been a hugely popular figure in Scottish politics”. Anyone? I'm a former Labour voter and to be honest I'm finding Richard Leonard nothing short of inspirational. His environmental policy announcement on the minimum use of J-Cloths was a zinger.. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 Just in case anyone was wondering what the point of Labour is. Universal Credit is going to be a disaster. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Kelly Isley III Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 26 minutes ago, Detournement said: Just in case anyone was wondering what the point of Labour is. Universal Credit is going to be a disaster. We'll agree on that last statement, but please do not try and convince us that Labour will be in any position soon to do anything about it. In Corbyn and Leonard they have two of the most uninspiring and insipid politicians of the age, and I'm afraid for every anorak like us debating on here there are 10,000 potential voters who take a much more superficial view of proceedings, influenced of course by the right-wing media, and especially the further South you travel in the UK. And you are also making a considerable assumption that even if Labour were returned to power they would be able to pause long enough in the attritional war that would ensue to provide capable and deliverable governance, never mind the party's habitual practice of rowing back from what needs to be done - Trident replacement anyone, just how does that fit with mitigating austerity ? I decided several elections back that myself and my family's future interests is increasingly unlikely to be best served by Westminster, whichever party is in power there. Time to remove those rose-tinted specs my friend. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocketman Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 2 hours ago, Detournement said: Just in case anyone was wondering what the point of Labour is. Universal Credit is going to be a disaster. UC - a Tory policy that a large number of Labour MPs have no issue with.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 2 minutes ago, KingRocketman II said: UC - a Tory policy that a large number of Labour MPs have no issue with.... Labour have opposed UC at every opportunity. Not one Labour MP has voted in favour of it. https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/universal-credit-vote_uk_59e78538e4b00905bdae20c4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 Those abstentions make SUCH a difference. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo: First Blood Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 Labour are a total disgrace both north and south of Gretna. Scottish Labour fully onboard with the far-left's politically motivated suicidal attacks on any disagreement in the party. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 When did Dan Hodges join the forum? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo: First Blood Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 23 minutes ago, NotThePars said: When did Dan Hodges join the forum? So you agree with this pointless and politically motivated purge by Leonard? It's self destructive and all to let a man accused of sexual assault back into a bigger position too! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 38 minutes ago, NotThePars said: When did Dan Hodges join the forum? I had him pegged as Stephen Daisley. Or the Scottish edition of the Daily Telegraph made sentient and posting on P&B. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo: First Blood Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 (edited) 45 minutes ago, Detournement said: I had him pegged as Stephen Daisley. Or the Scottish edition of the Daily Telegraph made sentient and posting on P&B. Emmm no swing and a miss champ. Funny how you can't deal with being dismantled on the facts and run from direct debate Edited October 7, 2018 by Jambo: First Blood 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 So you agree with this pointless and politically motivated purge by Leonard? It's self destructive and all to let a man accused of sexual assault back into a bigger position too!I quit when they decided to prioritise folk like Rowley over pursuing a meaningful accountability process. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieThomas Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 (edited) I always zone out whenever anyone says "far left" tbh. There's not a single politician of note in the UK that's far left, and it just makes the folk who say it look lazy and fucking stupid. Pro-tip: if you think Corbyn is, you also believe Tony Blair edited the Morning Star. Edited October 7, 2018 by JamieThomas 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocketman Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 18 hours ago, Detournement said: Labour have opposed UC at every opportunity. Not one Labour MP has voted in favour of it. https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/universal-credit-vote_uk_59e78538e4b00905bdae20c4 I don't believe you can suggest that abstaining is opposing. if you oppose something, you normally vote against it - even if such a vote is symbolic. Otherwise you are seen to be not having a real problem with what is being passed and therefore it becomes legislation without any real ruffles being caused. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/these-are-the-184-labour-mps-who-didn-t-vote-against-the-tories-welfare-bill-10404831.html Labour’s leadership recommended an abstention against the bill as a whole, though a group of 48 rebel MPs backed an alternative motion that wholly opposed the package. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 On 26/09/2018 at 08:03, speckled tangerine said: I'm sure there would be policies I would support but it really makes little difference at the moment. What's Labour's policy on brexit? I have absolutely no idea. The bottom line is if as it seems we're driving off a cliff, which is what all the evidence points to, any future Labour Government would be dealing with crisis management and not That vote was shameful but wasn't on UC. That vote resulted in Labour members revolting and shifting the party to the left. Labour under Corbyn are opposed to UC. There is no point harping back to 2015, austerity only ends under a Labour government. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 15 hours ago, JamieThomas said: I always zone out whenever anyone says "far left" tbh. There's not a single politician of note in the UK that's far left, and it just makes the folk who say it look lazy and fucking stupid. Pro-tip: if you think Corbyn is, you also believe Tony Blair edited the Morning Star. You know this is absolute fact when there ain't one single politican with a beard down to his toes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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