HTG Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 1 hour ago, GNU_Linux said: If we're going back to the 80's which disputed territory are we invading? The West Bank ... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullerene Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 4 hours ago, Alan Twelve said: Seriously? For those not old enough to remember, Thatcher's first term in office was an absolute fucking disaster: not quite up to the clusterfuck standards of the current government, but a lot worse than anything from then till 2019. Totally crashed the economy, and it was only the same level of foreign policy ineptitude getting us into an unnecessary conflict with Argentina over the Falklands that got her re-elected. There was also the SDP. Labour under Foot wanted to be democratic socialist while David Owen and others wanted to be Social Democrat. Under FPTP, this split the anti-Tory vote and Thatcher strolled back in. Also, I agree that fighting over the Falklands got the nostalgic patriotic vote. A Union Jack still flies proudly over South Georgia even if nobody actually lives there. Hooray. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MEADOWXI Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 17 hours ago, GNU_Linux said: If we're going back to the 80's which disputed territory are we invading? 15 hours ago, HTG said: The West Bank ... Crimea - posters of old Flo Nightingale, Charge of Light Brigade, Balaclava, Lord Lucan, Victoria Crosses made from captured Russian cannons, and if the USA don't like it been a couple of centuries since we last burnt down Washington (1812 War), I've listened to Anderson, Farage & Mogg, this is the start of the 2nd Glorious British Empire we can take them all on. Or lets hope we fall out with the Isle of Man. Could possibly manage to invade there if realistic, 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Binos Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 9 hours ago, MEADOWXI said: Crimea - posters of old Flo Nightingale, Charge of Light Brigade, Balaclava, Lord Lucan, Victoria Crosses made from captured Russian cannons, and if the USA don't like it been a couple of centuries since we last burnt down Washington (1812 War), I've listened to Anderson, Farage & Mogg, this is the start of the 2nd Glorious British Empire we can take them all on. Or lets hope we fall out with the Isle of Man. Could possibly manage to invade there if realistic, I'd be up for burning down Washington dc again 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itzdrk Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 On 19/03/2024 at 15:52, GNU_Linux said: If we're going back to the 80's which disputed territory are we invading? The north of Ireland 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirkieRR Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 David 'Bammy' Lammy has backed Reeves' praise of Thatcher. Labour Maggie love-in. Reeves is Labour's next leader. Betcha. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 Tears and snotters, by Owen Jones 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHF-23 Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 1 hour ago, scottsdad said: Tears and snotters, by Owen Jones I mean he's annoying but where's the tears and snotters or what's incorrect here? 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 Labour chooses Gogglebox star to run against deputy PM at general election 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 On 17/03/2024 at 20:57, Inanimate Carbon Rod said: Thing is, the snp have disappeared up their own arse, labour are tory lite, the landscape is there for an actual left of centre party to make ground. I genuinely worry about what kind of world my wee boy will inherit because things are just going backwards. The Scottish Socialists were at the Palestine rally in George Square last weekend. Genuinely had no idea they were still going. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetmonster Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 1 hour ago, BFTD said: The Scottish Socialists were at the Palestine rally in George Square last weekend. Genuinely had no idea they were still going. Which ones, the Colin Fox ones? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHF-23 Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 3 hours ago, orfc said: Owen likes to rail against those in power, it's his schtick and his livelihood. If he stays as a member of the party about to gain power that income stream dries up. This way he can remain in permanent opposition, it's the Corbyn way Thanks for answering a completely different question. That's a bizarrely contrived take to have when his stated reasoning in the column shared by @scottsdad is completely coherent and sensible. I'm starting to think you centrist and right wing fellas might not be arguing in good faith! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 1 minute ago, GHF-23 said: Thanks for answering a completely different question. That's a bizarrely contrived take to have when his stated reasoning in the column shared by @scottsdad is completely coherent and sensible. I'm starting to think you centrist and right wing fellas might not be arguing in good faith! Truth be told, I have long held the feeling that a section of the left hate Labour far more than the Tories do. And I count Jones as one of those. The surprise here for me was that he was a Labour member in the first place and claims to have been for 21 years. That would make him a member since 2003. So, he joined Labour the same year that Blair invaded Iraq....but now he cannot stomach the party. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetmonster Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 9 minutes ago, scottsdad said: Truth be told, I have long held the feeling that a section of the left hate Labour far more than the Tories do. And I count Jones as one of those. The surprise here for me was that he was a Labour member in the first place and claims to have been for 21 years. That would make him a member since 2003. So, he joined Labour the same year that Blair invaded Iraq....but now he cannot stomach the party. Apparently joined when he was 15 which puts him at 1999. I’m sure he was a staffer for John McDonnell; from that POV it’s perhaps understandable if he hates Starmer more than the Tories. Starmer’s hitched his wagon to the Tories rather than hijacking them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 10 minutes ago, carpetmonster said: Apparently joined when he was 15 which puts him at 1999. I’m sure he was a staffer for John McDonnell; from that POV it’s perhaps understandable if he hates Starmer more than the Tories. Starmer’s hitched his wagon to the Tories rather than hijacking them. So he was a member in the build up to Iraq, during and after? And was fine with it? I quit my membership in 2003 because of it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHF-23 Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 44 minutes ago, scottsdad said: Truth be told, I have long held the feeling that a section of the left hate Labour far more than the Tories do. And I count Jones as one of those. What does it say about this theory of yours that one of the cornerstones of it has in fact been encouraging people to vote Labour up until today? With all due respect, this feels like a way to deflect from the many many valid criticisms made of the labour party by those on the left. Also, the current leadership of the Labour Party have, after promising to be a broad church, made it abundantly clear that the Left is their enemy, so who really started this rift if it does exist? And what further conclusions might we draw that with a general election victory almost assured the Labour Right and donkey brained centrist press is currently foaming at the mouth and behaving extremely strangely towards a single defecting Guardian columnist? Still, they and yourself are I'm sure behaving like the sensible ones here! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MazzyStar Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 9 hours ago, scottsdad said: Labour chooses Gogglebox star to run against deputy PM at general election It’s a seat they won’t win in anyway 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jives Miguel Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 Keith courting the flag shaggers vote. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68632034 He might be more Tory than Blair at this point. Frightening. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itzdrk Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 12 hours ago, scottsdad said: Tears and snotters, by Owen Jones I'm watching his YouTube video about this right now and I presume there's no point reading this article as it'll be the same stuff. I don't see the tears and snotters. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merkie84 Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 (edited) 45 minutes ago, Jives Miguel said: Keith courting the flag shaggers vote. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68632034 He might be more Tory than Blair at this point. Frightening. A bit off topic , but £125.00 for a football shirt! Madness! Edited March 21 by Merkie84 Error 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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