BawWatchin Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, Tibbermoresaint said: Yes. So what's the point in Labour trying to mimic the party that is already in government? Everything would just stay the same as it is now. Edited June 27, 2019 by BawWatchin 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 1 minute ago, BawWatchin said: So what's the point in Labour trying to mimic the party that is already in government? Everything would just stay the same as it is now. The point is that Labour want to be in power. Although given how much of a shambles they are I'm not sure they do at the moment. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 Just now, Tibbermoresaint said: The point is that Labour want to be in power. Although given how much of a shambles they are I'm not sure they do at the moment. I'm not talking about from Labours perspective. I'm talking about from our perspective. The perspective of the voters. Labour offer an alternative, even if they have no chance of winning. If they just offered the same as the conservatives in order to take their place, then their existence is pointless as far as the electorate is concerned. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, BawWatchin said: I'm not talking about from Labours perspective. I'm talking about from our perspective. The perspective of the voters. Labour offer an alternative, even if they have no chance of winning. If they just offered the same as the conservatives in order to take their place, then their existence is pointless as far as the electorate is concerned. Labour in power is less pointless than Labour in opposition. Labour are in opposition and utterly pointless at present. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 1 minute ago, Tibbermoresaint said: Labour in power is less pointless than Labour in opposition. Labour are in opposition and utterly pointless at present. How is it less pointless to replace the current government with the same government, just with a different badge? Politics is about standing up for what you believe in and doing everything you can to convince people that it's the correct way forward. If parties only cared about getting into power, the status quo would never be challenged, because each new government formed would simply continue on from the previous government. Making elections and multiple party systems irrelevant. Offering something different is important in a democracy, even if you have little to no chance of winning. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 As much as I agree with Watson on Brexit he has shown once again that he will subtly do everything he can to stop a Corbyn led Labour government. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 4 minutes ago, BawWatchin said: How is it less pointless to replace the current government with the same government, just with a different badge? Politics is about standing up for what you believe in and doing everything you can to convince people that it's the correct way forward. If parties only cared about getting into power, the status quo would never be challenged, because each new government formed would simply continue on from the previous government. Making elections and multiple party systems irrelevant. Offering something different is important in a democracy, even if you have little to no chance of winning. There's a difference between being a party which aspires to govern and a protest group. If Labour want to be socialister-than-thou but unelectable that's up to them, but they'll soon be a mere footnote in history. We need an opposition. We don't have one. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, Tibbermoresaint said: There's a difference between being a party which aspires to govern and a protest group. If Labour want to be socialister-than-thou but unelectable that's up to them, but they'll soon be a mere footnote in history. We need an opposition. We don't have one. An opposition, or a replacement government? Make up your mind. You seem very eager to see the Conservative Party replaced by carbon copies of themselves. For what purpose? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 1 minute ago, BawWatchin said: An opposition, or a replacement government? Make up your mind. You seem very eager to see the Conservative Party replaced by carbon copies of themselves. For what purpose? An opposition and a replacement government should be the same thing. Your second paragraph makes no sense I'm afraid. I merely describe the political situation, I don't endorse it. On some present polls it seems that Labour may be replaced as official opposition by the LibDems. Whither Labour then? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 Historic opposition leader dissatisfaction ratings: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 They want to be elected they just aren't interested in pandering to right wing bangers. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 4 hours ago, oaksoft said: Labour plan to make the inheritance tax level £125k and include all lifetime gifts to children. It's as though they simply don't want to be elected. That's utterly mental. Whatever the moral rights and wrongs of such a policy, who the f**k do they think is going to suddenly decide to vote for them based on that? Presumably virtually no one with a house worth over £125,000 and children Idiots. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 6 minutes ago, jupe1407 said: That's utterly mental. Whatever the moral rights and wrongs of such a policy, who the f**k do they think is going to suddenly decide to vote for them based on that? Presumably virtually no one with a house worth over £125,000 and children Idiots. If an individual inherits £150,000 pounds they would get a tax bill of £6000 pounds (at 25%). So they will be still be inheriting £144,000 which is 6 times the median net income. It's not exactly the end of the world. It's a tax rate which which is effectively 1/8th of what a basic rate tax payer contributes on their earnings. Given what we know about income and wealth inequality policies like this are desperately required. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, Detournement said: If an individual inherits £150,000 pounds they would get a tax bill of £6000 pounds (at 25%). So they will be still be inheriting £144,000 which is 6 times the median net income. It's not exactly the end of the world. It's a tax rate which which is effectively 1/8th of what a basic rate tax payer contributes on their earnings. Given what we know about income and wealth inequality policies like this are desperately required. Aye, I'm sure folk in their droves will vote Labour because they would "only" have to give them an extra £6,000. Jesus fucking Christ HB, this is desperate, desperate stuff. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartsOfficialMoaner Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 We should all share and share alike except we shouldn't share mine. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 1 minute ago, jupe1407 said: Aye, I'm sure folk in their droves will vote Labour because they would "only" have to give them an extra £6,000. Jesus fucking Christ HB, this is desperate, desperate stuff. The right have built up inheritance tax into a bogeyman. You pay loads more tax than that over your life without thinking about it eg the VAT increase. The government needs tax revenue to end austerity and create a society that functions. The idea that people inheriting large amounts of money should be exempt from taxation is the thinking of right wing cretins and simpletons who swallow their propaganda. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 4 minutes ago, Detournement said: The right have built up inheritance tax into a bogeyman. You pay loads more tax than that over your life without thinking about it eg the VAT increase. The government needs tax revenue to end austerity and create a society that functions. The idea that people inheriting large amounts of money should be exempt from taxation is the thinking of right wing cretins and simpletons who swallow their propaganda. That's all very lovely. However if you present the idea of someone suddenly getting a £6000+ tax bill when their parents snuff it and leave them a relatively modest house, they're quite simply not going to vote for you. This is the kind of stuff a Labour government should be getting through halfway through a term where they are actually in government. This is the kind of ludicrous decision-making which will ensure they have no chance of forming a government. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 (edited) If the house is worth £150,000 it's not modest. That's a lot of money for one person to inherit. If anyone wants to make a case as to why it's fine to tax a person earning 16 grand a year but not OK to tax someone inheriting £150,000 I'd be interested to hear it. Edited July 1, 2019 by Detournement 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 Enjoying jupe of all people biting to HB. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 22 minutes ago, MixuFixit said: Unless you have a spare 6 grand sitting about you have to sell the house though. Three (buy) fucking (to) guesses (let) where a lot of that housing will end up. Bank loan? If you can't afford the repayments on a 6 grand loan then you should probably liquidate your 150 grand asset anyway. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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