Crow Posted Wednesday at 16:25 Share Posted Wednesday at 16:25 25 minutes ago, General Dread said: I’m kinda ambivalent to the JC but in the absence of a national non-league trophy, it fills a certain gap. Would much prefer there was one similar to the FA Trophy It fills a certain gap my arse. The South Challenge Cup is there for all to enter. Unfortunately clubs up north have no intention of joining in so it’s pretty much as good as it’s going to get in terms of a national non league cup. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
searchers1963 Posted Wednesday at 16:59 Share Posted Wednesday at 16:59 1 hour ago, General Dread said: I’m kinda ambivalent to the JC but in the absence of a national non-league trophy, it fills a certain gap. Would much prefer there was one similar to the FA Trophy We have that it's called South Challenge Cup 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Dread Posted Wednesday at 18:23 Author Share Posted Wednesday at 18:23 1 hour ago, searchers1963 said: We have that it's called South Challenge Cup The South Challenge Cup is regional, not National and, to my understanding, is only open to clubs who play in the Lowland regions. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Dread Posted Wednesday at 18:25 Author Share Posted Wednesday at 18:25 1 hour ago, Crow said: It fills a certain gap my arse. The South Challenge Cup is there for all to enter. Unfortunately clubs up north have no intention of joining in so it’s pretty much as good as it’s going to get in terms of a national non league cup. I don't believe the rules permit clubs north of the Tay Bridge to participate Quote 5. FORMAT 5.1 The Competition shall be held annually and shall be open to and contested by (1) All Clubs eligible to participate in the Scottish Association Qualifying Cup (South) in Season 2006/2007 and (2) the Clubs in the East of Scotland Football League, South of Scotland Football League and Scottish Lowland Football League in the current Season not included in (1) above. https://slfl.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/SFA-South-Region-Challenge-Cup-regulations-version-4.pdf 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted Wednesday at 18:43 Share Posted Wednesday at 18:43 12 minutes ago, General Dread said: I don't believe the rules permit clubs north of the Tay Bridge to participate That's old as you will notice from no WoSFL mentioned. The South Challenge Cup is ultimately ran by the 4 Lowland Leagues. If they wanted to open it up and include the 4 North Leagues or invite guests they could. Just as they can change the name. There just there's isn't the interest from enough on either side to do so. The same applies to the Junior Scottish Cup. The leagues and the SJFA have tried to get their own proposals off the ground, and they both failed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Dread Posted Wednesday at 20:37 Author Share Posted Wednesday at 20:37 (edited) 1 hour ago, FairWeatherFan said: That's old as you will notice from no WoSFL mentioned. The South Challenge Cup is ultimately ran by the 4 Lowland Leagues. If they wanted to open it up and include the 4 North Leagues or invite guests they could. Just as they can change the name. There just there's isn't the interest from enough on either side to do so. The same applies to the Junior Scottish Cup. The leagues and the SJFA have tried to get their own proposals off the ground, and they both failed. That’s where, perhaps, the SFA should take the lead and organise a national competition that encompasses Tier 5 down (could even be made mandatory for the higher levels) with some regionalisation in the opening couple of rounds Edited Wednesday at 20:38 by General Dread 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted Wednesday at 20:50 Share Posted Wednesday at 20:50 4 minutes ago, General Dread said: That’s where, perhaps, the SFA should take the lead and organise a national competition that encompasses Tier 5 down (could even be made mandatory for the higher levels) with some regionalisation in the opening couple of rounds The SFA as it stands have shown no interest and are too busy trying to find the balance with the Scottish Cup and growing non-league participants. The Scottish Cup ticks the boxes for a lot of teams. There's around 80+ non-league teams that are licensed. Majority of them would only get a game or two before being knocked out. That's what they have now with the Scottish Cup. Its a factor in why the stalemate exists. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
searchers1963 Posted Wednesday at 21:00 Share Posted Wednesday at 21:00 2 hours ago, General Dread said: The South Challenge Cup is regional, not National and, to my understanding, is only open to clubs who play in the Lowland regions. So basically to playbtayside teams is the reason you want the junior cup but most of the East teams aren't in jt 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Dread Posted Wednesday at 21:42 Author Share Posted Wednesday at 21:42 41 minutes ago, searchers1963 said: So basically to playbtayside teams is the reason you want the junior cup but most of the East teams aren't in jt What? How on earth did you manage to leap to that from what I’ve posted? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
searchers1963 Posted Thursday at 04:37 Share Posted Thursday at 04:37 6 hours ago, General Dread said: What? How on earth did you manage to leap to that from what I’ve posted? Because you said south challenge isn't a national competition but everyone is In it except North juniors and Tayside teams. So the reality is its so you can play Tayside teams 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Dread Posted Thursday at 05:06 Author Share Posted Thursday at 05:06 28 minutes ago, searchers1963 said: Because you said south challenge isn't a national competition but everyone is In it except North juniors and Tayside teams. So the reality is its so you can play Tayside teams And Highland League which, last I checked, involved no teams on Tayside. Theres also the North Caledonian League - which isn’t Tayside either. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casper Wilson Posted Thursday at 10:19 Share Posted Thursday at 10:19 19 hours ago, realmadrid said: Why, now we have a pyramid there is no need for the Junior cup. Why then are Pyramid clubs queuing up to re-join? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted Thursday at 10:29 Share Posted Thursday at 10:29 10 minutes ago, Casper Wilson said: Why then are Pyramid clubs queuing up to re-join? It was hardly a queue. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dev Posted Thursday at 13:57 Share Posted Thursday at 13:57 Apologies if I am mis-reading this but it is curious how the Junior FA appears to be trying to justify it's very existence at a time when it serves little useful purpose anymore other than as an apparently disruptive influence. The once famous Junior Cup is a shadow of it's former self. Just check out recent season's Cup-Final attendance estimates and compare them with pre-pyramid days. The whole of the Highland League, North Caledonian League, the vast majority of the EoS (most ex Junior clubs) do not enter. Even Auchinleck Talbot found a way to get out of it at an early stage this season! Then there's been the reported mess made of the Junior's web site this season and the reported significant difficulties with dealing with the new SFA registration system. Next the Midlands and North region leagues going their own way with brand new web sites. Criticism of leagues is fine as all need to improve in one way or another. The timing of the creation of this thread which seems to be a typical "disrupter" effort of "lets have a go at the EoS" fitted perfectly (but co-incidentally?) with the announcements that two leagues which are still run directly by the Juniors have just announced brand new web sites i.e. North and Midlands. All this at a time when not only the Juniors but also the Amateur and Welfare FAs are struggling to justify themselves in the modern times of the pyramid era. Nostalgia is good but don't let it detract from the present, please! Time to move on. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
searchers1963 Posted Thursday at 14:09 Share Posted Thursday at 14:09 9 hours ago, General Dread said: And Highland League which, last I checked, involved no teams on Tayside. Theres also the North Caledonian League - which isn’t Tayside either. Neither of which play in the junior Cup either 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted Thursday at 14:55 Share Posted Thursday at 14:55 For the eosl and wosl to improve, there should be a lowland league 2 with licensed clubs who play solely in the leagues own competitions not beholden to rival organisations. No b teams. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Dread Posted Thursday at 17:43 Author Share Posted Thursday at 17:43 3 hours ago, searchers1963 said: Neither of which play in the junior Cup either Great. What does that have to do with wanting the SFA to introduce a nationwide non-league trophy? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey Jones Posted Thursday at 19:32 Share Posted Thursday at 19:32 9 hours ago, Casper Wilson said: Why then are Pyramid clubs queuing up to re-join? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
searchers1963 Posted Thursday at 21:20 Share Posted Thursday at 21:20 3 hours ago, General Dread said: Great. What does that have to do with wanting the SFA to introduce a nationwide non-league trophy? Because you said it was the reason to play in the junior Cup but none of these sides are in it. The only difference currently between South Challenge and junior Cup is Tayside and North juniors 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Dread Posted Saturday at 07:55 Author Share Posted Saturday at 07:55 On 17/10/2024 at 22:20, searchers1963 said: Because you said it was the reason to play in the junior Cup but none of these sides are in it. The only difference currently between South Challenge and junior Cup is Tayside and North juniors Again, what does that have to do with wanting a national non-league trophy introduced? SCC isn't a national trophy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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