Gordon EF Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 Yes it would be, but can't this re-allocation be done through the Union? For example, could we not adjust the aforementioned Barnet formula to account for this? I suppose so. If every penny raised in each individual country stayed in each individual country then that would be a benefit to Scotland. I would be in favour of fiscal autonomy for the individual countries and I think it would a step towards independence. The economic benefit can be achieved without Independence. Therefore it remains unnecessary. But that isn't happening at the moment. What would happen if it did happen and Scotland wanted to spend less of it's money on the military than the rest of the UK did? It wouldn't make much sense to have full fiscal autonomy and retain the union. What would be the benefit of that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 regardless of the economic benefit and how it could be achieved, if the majority of scots want an idependent Scotland then it WILL happen!! i feel this wont be to long in cominu can just take the huff and not get a Scottish passport, suits me just fine Jim Pansy will be fuming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jags_mad Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 Jim Pansy will be fuming. nicely dodged squirming ure way thru and arguement doesnt make u right the Scottish people want INDEPENDENCE!! u dont, tough shite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 Jim Pansy will be fuming. One does imagine that will be the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 nicely dodged squirming ure way thru and arguement doesnt make u right the Scottish people want INDEPENDENCE!! u dont, tough shite Prove it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jags_mad Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 Prove it. no i have no proof, it is just a feeling B) i feel there is a change in attitudes towards independence maybe not a majority right now, but soon and the fact that it will piss exubergay off makes it all the sweeter and no the quirky name didnt take me long, didnt make me laugh, its just appropriate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jags_mad Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 oh and limited as it is this poll seems to back me up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xbl Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 Yes it would be, but can't this re-allocation be done through the Union? For example, could we not adjust the aforementioned Barnet formula to account for this? Yes. We could, and if we could that would be excellent. In fact, after the SNP set up the "National Conversation" thingy, the Unionists set up something called the Calman Commission to debate such a thing impartially and without any political bias. Their conclusions? Leave things as they are. Go Unionism! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 I suppose so. If every penny raised in each individual country stayed in each individual country then that would be a benefit to Scotland. I would be in favour of fiscal autonomy for the individual countries and I think it would a step towards independence. We don't need fiscal autonomy to get an increased share of the Oil Revenue. All that would need to be done is pressure to improve the Barnet formula, then the Scottish Parliament (on a lot of issues at least) would have pretty free reign on the allocation of the additional resources. But that isn't happening at the moment. What would happen if it did happen and Scotland wanted to spend less of it's money on the military than the rest of the UK did? It wouldn't make much sense to have full fiscal autonomy and retain the union. What would be the benefit of that? As I said, I don't see any benefit in fiscal autonomy that can't be achieved by other means. Oil Investment is financial returns based, so it is nothing like investment in the armed forces. The military isn't a devolved matter anyway. You're right that fiscal autonomy would have to come with independence, but I'd suggest to you that there's no exclusive benefit of having our own full fiscal control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 Yes. We could, and if we could that would be excellent. In fact, after the SNP set up the "National Conversation" thingy, the Unionists set up something called the Calman Commission to debate such a thing impartially and without any political bias. Their conclusions? Leave things as they are.Go Unionism! I'm not saying the Unionist Parties are approaching it the right way. They should be looking to devolve powers throughout the UK (in my view) except with Law and Order and Defence. They are far from perfect, but the Nationalists have failed to prove that the Union cannot provide the benefits they claim to be exclusive to Independence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 oh and limited as it is this poll seems to back me up You and limited are quite well acquainted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RTB Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 Clicky gordy britis brown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jags_mad Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 You and limited are quite well acquainted. what a great come back im afraid im not limited u arrogant wee scamp i hope it really gets u down when Scotland embraces its destiny and all u can do is take the huff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 Clickygordy britis brown Your link is a dud. A bit like independence. Why not have the referrendum now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jags_mad Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 Your link is a dud. A bit like independence.Why not have the referrendum now? The SNP are sticking to their manifesto, they must give the voters what they voted for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 no i have no proof, it is just a feeling B) i feel there is a change in attitudes towards independence maybe not a majority right now, but soon and the fact that it will piss exubergay off makes it all the sweeter and no the quirky name didnt take me long, didnt make me laugh, its just appropriate Well don't make sweeping statements like "Scotland wants independence" then Seriously, that's something out of the bog standard SNP grandstanding book. Until such times as the SNP, or all separatist parties combined achieve more than 50% of the vote, I refuse to believe that Scotland "wants" independence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jags_mad Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 Well don't make sweeping statements like "Scotland wants independence" then Seriously, that's something out of the bog standard SNP grandstanding book. Until such times as the SNP, or all separatist parties combined achieve more than 50% of the vote, I refuse to believe that Scotland "wants" independence. suit ureslef it is only a matter of time, the snp are creeping up on labour also labour tricks people by saying that the snp are right wing this may chase many away who support independence but fear right wing parties this is not only irelevant as after independence it would not be the snp in power, but labours own policies are right wing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 One does imagine that will be the case. Far from it. The omission of an n is barely worth commenting upon when compared with "independant" X 1500! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 suit ureslef it is only a matter of time, the snp are creeping up on labour also labour tricks people by saying that the snp are right wing this may chase many away who support independence but fear right wing parties this is not only irelevant as after independence it would not be the snp in power, but labours own policies are right wing Labour are most certainly not right-wing. Tax rises, government interference everywhere, benefits going up, record levels of borrowing... need I go on? No party of the right would do these things. Labour are not the socialists they were, but they are still a left of centre party. As usual, the left manage to make a complete arse of the country and pile us up in debt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 Far from it. The omission of an n is barely worth commenting upon when compared with "independant" X 1500! I've always wondered what this "independance" malarky is all about. Is Salmond going to do the Highland Fling to gain independence or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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